B. David Ruffino is a well-known UFO researcher with over 45 years of background in the subject. He is an alien abduction counsellor, an ordained minister, and he has spoken in Roswell, on radio shows, and is the author of "Unholy Communion." How important is this book? Dr. Michael Heiser, in his endorsement, says: "If even 10% of the witnesses in this book are honest about what happened to them - and, in particular, how they were rescued from their torment, then David and Joseph [co-author] have earned the right to be heard."
Q: Are we alone? I want to ask you what you think of the tremendous and unprecedented amount of UFO and ET news coming out all at once, including at the Royal Society meetings in London, where the Royal Astronomer to the Queen of England actually said that aliens are staring us in the face, and we may not even know it?
A: If you look at it from my standpoint, a theological one, you can say the same thing the Royal Astronomer said. I believe these things are inter-dimensional ... spiritual ... sure, they're looking at us all the time. They're in another dimension, but they're looking at us. The Bible tells us that we're surrounded by a great host of witnesses, referring to the spiritual realm. So, certainly I agree with what he says, but we have different ideas on who they are and what their purposes are. Sometimes people who make these statements try to say that we are the aliens, that we were brought to earth a long time ago as seeds planted by the aliens, etc.
Q: The one thing that is nice is to finally see the top tier, the scientific community if you will, starting to take this phenomenon as real and saying that it deserves the kind of credible research that people like you have been doing in the past. Maybe now they are beginning to catch up. But I want to know what you think. So tell us what it is that you do in this field of study.
A: My wife and I run a ministry on the internet where we expose different things in society that we believe to be part of the strong delusion the Bible talks about that will be coming upon the earth in the last days. Jesus says the last days will be like the days of Noah just before the flood. One of the parallels we see is the alien abduction phenomenon, as it correlates with before the flood when the fallen angels legally married human women, and produced the Nephilim, the giants mentioned in the Bible. We want to show that what is happening today did happen before, and as Ecclesiastes says, there's nothing new under the sun. We want to help people to be prepared.
We also have a ministry called Paranormal and Alien Abduction Problem Solvers, Int'l (PAAPSI), where we counsel and guide people who have had alien abduction experiences, and they want it to be gone. Believe it or not, some people enjoy being abducted by aliens. But we counsel the people who have been harmed by it psychically, physically, spiritually and in many other ways. They want it to end, and we believe, as proven by the evidence, that we know the way out.
Q. Some people want to be abducted?
A: Two reasons. 1. Everyone wants to be wanted and needed, and these entities fulfill that need by saying they're special and they have a special mission for them. 2. Sort of a codependency.
Q: First time I've ever heard anyone say that. But, now that I think about it, I've met many abused people who fall into those categories. ... Some scientists think these things may not be so benign. What was the impetus on writing the book? Unholy Communion.
A: Heaven's Gate really opened a lot of eyes. Showed us that this thing was not innocuous, but deadly serious. If we can prevent even one leader or person from starting with this stuff it will be worth it. And that's why we started our ministries. A lot of people [ministers; seminars, etc.] said they were fallen angels, or whatever, but then they left and never followed up and ministered to these people. That's why the Mormons and Jehovah's Witness started...just enough information to make them dangerous. So we wanted to actually minister to them. And it's a specific ministry, very rewarding just to always be there to help them. [He said a lot more about the ministry, and it was immediately evident that he truly has the heart of a pastor and loves his work.]
Q: What was the youngest abductee?
A: Late teens, early twenties.
Q: You're also a minister, so is this like a congregation without walls? Ministering to individuals, even if they have a local church they can't really go to their church and talk about it much.
A: Yes, we minister to them at all hours and spend as much time as they need, even if it's 2-3 hours late at night. It's a great joy, a special calling of sorts. A lot of them aren't particularly of a church background, anyway. And a lot of the churches look at it as spooky.
Q: How do traditional pastors accept what you do?
A: I spent 25 yrs looking for a ministry in a church. Wagging heads, snickers, giggles was all I got. They weren't interested in that type of ministry. These people will not be prepared for what's coming. Our prayer is that these people don't fall away [mine, too], because it will be a great deception when it comes. Little by little, people are beginning to wake up, it seems.
Q: I do know about mission fields, numbers, etc. Statistically, we know that hundreds of thousands per year are experiencing this?
A: Great numbers. Teams are beginning to form that can address that particular mission field. It's a growing field - for abductees and for people prepared to help them. The growth on both sides is running neck and neck. There is even beginning to be support among some pastors.
Q: What do Christians in general think about it?
A: Just like the pastors. Some are starting to wake up, but the other half think we're wack jobs. People put their heads in the sand when it's something they don't understand. This is going to get a lot worse...so as it becomes more visible, more people will be open to dealing with it.
Q: How do you deal with people like that?
A: I'm not very subtle. I just tell them it's true and they need to be aware of it or they're in danger. The big churches have their own agendas, too. It's the smaller churches that seem to be more open. It was the same way for Jesus. You can't really tippy toe; you have to meet it head on.
Q: UFO community is a religion (New Age).
A: Most of them are in a hierarchical organization, if in one at all. The UFO community is the same way. Aliens, evangelists, channelers with messages, prophets. Same deal. It's a parallel religion. Heb 1:11. And the common man believes everything they say. [There are few who know what is going on. We have a huge responsibility to be watchmen and alert people, and few really want truth.]
Q: In 2008 you and Joe Jordan did a Roswell presentation that caused a real stir [among the UFO attendees]. Why?
A: We challenged their philosophy by presenting the aliens as demonic, and putting them on trial - their beliefs. So they were hostile. They didn't like being challenged, and you can bring up any religion at all except Christianity and Jesus. And Judaism. The world doesn't want accountability; they want a god that answers to them, one that is flexible. You could sense the alarms going off in the audience. They don't want truth. Itching ears.
Q: In the book you talk about something astonishing, that Jesus had encounters with aliens.
A: We make the assertion that these entities are the same ones that have always been around - he dealt with casting out demons, demoniacs...the same ones. They're all one and the same. If you look at the effect he had on the demons - and the effect his name has now - it's the exact same thing [he is so correct about this; it's an extremely important principle]. His name and power have the same effect now. With some people you have to be very subtle in making the connection between aliens and demons; they're not prepared to hear about Jesus. Only through the Holy Spirit can you navigate this area. I can often tell them exactly what the demons are saying [he's referring to the counterfeit theology they teach] ... and they see that if Jesus reveals this information....HE must be the true one.
Q: How you employ this careful analysis, confronting preconceived ideas, and ultimately no book has never been approached this way...almost a scientific investigation. You prove cause and effect...evidence..connect the dots. But most astonishing is how the name of Jesus emerges at the end of the book as the one thing that works with the entities. Great for the faith community. Only one name makes everyone bow. This may clear things up with Christians. Is this phenomenon psychic, physical or spiritual?
A: All of the above. Joe has actually been there when they've been catatonic; and when they come back [to full consciousness] they have a message. And sometimes the abductee says the entities are ticked off with Joe because the entities know who he is [I had to chuckle at this - "I know Jesus, and I know about Paul".... and these demonic entities know the people who discern who they are.] Now it's done [breeding, etc.] in labs and stuff instead of through marriage, but the Lord predicted this.
Q: Days of Noah...G.H. Pember's book ... analyzes Jesus prophecy, and he outlined how 'the 7th and most fearful sign' as being the appearance on earth of the Nephilim. Written in 1800s. [I have this book, "Earth's Earliest Ages," and it's an amazing book.] And now we have the Vatican etal.
A: This is a sign of the days of Noah - the Vatican - I have quite an alarm raised there because they influence over 1 billion people and are going to be told this is okay, they'll fall for it and be deceived. [I agree with him. The Vatican has many Satan worshippers and Masons at the highest levels, and I believe they are in league with the demonic forces.]
Webs: http://www.delusionresistance.org/, http://www.paapsi.org/
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