UFOs Have Been Identified ... Conclusively

....at least as far as I'm concerned (and many others).

How credible is it to think that literally thousands of genuine extraterrestials would fly millions of light years simply to teach new age philosophy, deny Christianity and support the occult? And why would the entities actually possess and inhabit people just like demons do if they were really advanced extraterrestrials? (John Walden)

UFO behavior is occultish and magic-like - spiritual rather than scientific. Thousands of books have been written on the subject of demonology, which is the ancient and scholarly study of monsters and demons. The manifestations and occurrences described in this literature are identical to the UFO phenomena we see today. Victims of demonic possession suffer from the same medical and emotional symptoms as the UFO contactee.  (John Keel, The Mothman Prophecies)

The same individuals that run UFO's, run haunted houses. 

In 1969, the US Printing Office issued a 400-page publication, "UFO's and Related Subjects, An Annotated Bibliography," by Lynn E. Catoe, the Senior Bibliographer for the Library of Congress. She summarizes her findings in the preface of the Bibliography: 

"A large part of the available UFO literature is closely linked with mysticism and the metaphysical. It deals with subjects like mental telepathy, automatic writing and invisible entities as well as phenomenon like poltergeist manifestations and possession. Many of the UFO reports now being published in the popular press recount alleged incidents that are strikingly similar to demonic possession and psychic phenomenon that have long been known to theologians and parapsychologists." 

The document referred to above was compiled for the USAF and it is now in the Library of Congress.

Dr. Jacques Vallee has addressed the UN  on UFOs and was the model for one of the characters in the Stephen Spielberg film Close Encounters of the Third Kind. He is the author of eight books on UFOs.and has been widely recognized as the premier investigative scientist in the realm of UFO research. 

In his book, Messengers of Deception, Vallee says, "An impressive parallel can be made between UFO occupants and the popular conception of demons. In his book, Confrontations, he writes: "The medical examinations to which abductions are said to be subjected, often accompanied by sadistic sexual manipulation, is reminiscent of medical tales of encounters with demons." 

He also made this statement: "I believe that when we speak of UFO sightings as instances of space visitations, we are looking at the phenomenon at the wrong level. We are not dealing with successive waves of visitations from space. We are dealing with a control system." And he states, "UFO's are the means through which man's concepts are being rearranged. They are engaging in a worldwide enterprise of subliminal seduction."

Jacques Vallee was an agnostic at the time he wrote Confrontations, according to Dave Hunt, Christian author of The Archon Conspiracy, who add that it is  "Interesting that he comes to basically the same conclusions I do....and he said about UFO's: 'they're real, but they're not physical. They're messengers of deception' - and this is based on his research of 25 years - 'they seem to be psychologically preparing, setting us up for some ultimate delusion that is too horrible even to imagine as yet.' I would agree with that."

Dr. I.D.E. Thomas is one of a long line of Welsh preachers. He is currently the Senior Pastor of the First Baptist Church of Maywood, California, and has authored several books which have enjoyed wide circulation. In his book, The Omega Conspiracy, Dr. Thomas explains the phenomena of UFO's and offers an explanation that could identify the beings that operate them. As incredible as his explanation may sound let us regard the ancient saying of Heracletus, who 500 years before Christ, said: "Because it is sometimes so unbelievable, the truth escapes becoming known."  Dr. Thomas says: 

    "The answer to all this, and the clue to this cosmic riddle, may be found in the ancient Book of Genesis. Back there in Chapter 6 we are told of a very amazing and bizarre event: 'The sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.' ...and sired children from them. 

     "For the past 1500 years most scholars, including evangelical scholars, have interpreted 'the sons of God' as the good sons of Seth, and the 'daughters of men' as the wicked daughters of Cain. They've adopted that interpretation because the other one is so bizarre and outlandish. The ancient interpretation  - and in my opinion the correct one - is that 'the sons of God' were demonic beings or fallen angels, and that they came down to earth, they lusted after the daughters of men, they married them and produced this amazing progeny - this hybrid progeny - the Nephilim. The very word 'Nephilim' does not mean "giants." The root it comes from means 'fallen ones'.

     "The early Christian fathers in the first four centuries - men like Iraneous, Tertullian, Ambrose - for 400 years they knew no other interpretation except that the 'sons of God' were angelic beings.  Josephus, the cosmopolitan Jewish historian, says the same thing. We read in the Book of Job that when God laid the foundations of the earth the 'sons of God' shouted for joy. Obviously, the sons of God could not be human beings. Adam had not yet been created. 

     "If this were the case of just mixed marriages between good men and wicked women, it is surprising that God should have issued the judgment that He did [and that their unions produced GIANTSnot perfect. What it means is like a lamb for the Passover - the Paschal sacrifice. That lamb had to be without blemish - physically pure, without blemish. So it seems was the case of Noah - the only family that remained uncontaminated from these strange beings that had appeared from space; the only line that was pure and clean from God's standpoint, to start a new world and a new civilization. 

     "Jesus said 'as in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.' Of all the patriarchs and prophets of the OT, the key to prophecy - above all others - is Noah. Something happened in the days of Noah that was a distinctive characteristic of Noah's time, that didn't happen before or after. Wars and famines and pestilence and natural disasters have always happened. But something happened in the days of Noah; and the most sinister and bizarre of all the things that happened was this intermarriage between the angelic race and the human race.  

     "And, of course the mastermind behind it all was another angel, a fallen angel, Lucifer. We believe that as they came in those days, we may very well be on the edge of another invasion from outer space, that Satan will once again make another attempt - the final assault on the human race - in order to wean men and women away from the worship of God. He has tried before. He will inevitably try again by seducing the human race, by sending these so-called entities from space, demonic beings. He will try to get people all over the world to worship him, and to deprive God of the worship that is due to Him. 

     "Fortunately, we know what the end result is going to be, but his final Omega assault to come at the end of time may trigger the coming back of Jesus Christ to rescue His own. Satan has failed before, and the Bible predicts he will fail again. We are told quite emphatically in God's Word that the kingdom of this world shall become the Kingdom of our God and of His Christ. Satan will make the attempt, but greater is He that is our God than he that is in the world."

I took all of the above notes from an excellent 7-set video series (each under 10 minutes) which I highly recommend. If you have somewhat of an understanding of the history of the UFOs and are under time pressures, start with Video #5. The last video is especially inspirational. They may be found at another of my favorites, Douglas Hamp's site HERE. 

CASE CLOSED

"Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light." II Corinthians 11:14.

"The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every kind of evil that deceives those who are perishing." II Thessalonians 2:9

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Feel free to email me at: creyner@yahoo.com

UFO Disclosure/Contact, Part 12 - D. Doug Elwell (Includes Planet X)

Continuing information from a recent seminar, "Official Disclosure: Prepare For Contact," featuring top researchers, ex-government agents, world-famous field investigators, physicists and theologians. The post contains info directly from the featured speaker. Questioner is Thomas Horn. Any comments by me will be in brackets []. Very light editing done on Q&As.

Doug's educational background includes a B.A. in Cinema & Photography from Southern Illinois University, an M.A. in Communications, and an M.A. in Ancient History, both from Wheaton College (IL). Doug has worked in mass media communications since 1990, including book publishing, magazine publishing, web development, multimedia and related disciplines.

Q: I want to get your response to this spate of recent news coming out of the Royal Society. In particular, a headline about Lord Martin Rees, President of the Royal Society, and Astronomer to the Queen: "Aliens May Be Staring Us In The Face." What do you make of the current fascination that the scientific community and the world seems to have that we may be soon come into contact with off-world beings?
A: Well, I think the fascination has always been there with the supernatural. I find it interesting that it is becoming more mainstream. It seems as the culture and what has been science fiction is totally merging together. It's been very difficult to bring the scientific community kicking and screaming to the possibility of ET life, even though they themselves have been looking for it for the better part of a century, if not longer. They're finally coming to the conclusion that ET life is probably inevitable, given the huge number of stars and planets in the galaxy, just counting those we are aware of. But I also find it particular fascinating that the Christian community is involved with ETs and is including them with possibly demonic activity.

Q: You are doing research right now into something that I haven't heard any of these other people talking about, the subject of Planet X. What is Planet X?
A: It is a theoretical planet in our solar system which is only seen maybe once every couple of thousand years due to its odd elliptical orbit. It's possible that if there is life on that planet, that may explain the coming down of the ET demonics to earth to interact with mankind. We're not sure if PLanet X really exists. But this would explain the emphasis in some parts of the Bible on fallen angels coming down to earth and integrating with mankind to create giants. Occasionally these giants would make their way into the mythical record - at least twice. Once before the flood, and again during the time of Abraham and Moses. Both times there was judgment upon the earth, first the great flood which destroyed all the giants, and again during the time of Moses when the giants of Canaan were destroyed by the Israelites by God's order, because they were basically attempting to re-breed and re-create the world as it had been before the flood. They are apparently God's enemies and have been constantly at war throughout history, and much of the Bible and human history has been taken up with these wars of the gods, that have made their way into the histories and mythologies of various peoples including the Bible.

Q: Remind me of the titles of those articles that you wrote for your website, Mysterious World, that had to do specifically with the giants.
A: There was a series of four, based on the four general regions of the earth. "Giants of the Earth" dealt specifically with the giants of the ancient Near East, and the biblical descriptions of the giants all the way from the time of Adam to the time of King David and a little bit thereafter. King David and his mighty men actually ended up wiping out many of these giants, including Goliath. Goliath apparently had a number of brothers who were amongst the Philistines. In Canaan these giants were evidently the fallen angels which were at war with God. There appeared to be a kind of a proxy war going on between God and these fallen angels, on God's side through Israel and their descendants; and on Satan's side these giants were evidently modified human beings - literally hybrids of men and these fallen angels.

Q: You also wrote of about Ireland, and some of the giant myth, legend and history surrounding Ireland.
A: We went throughout all these European and American giant stories, and when we did our travel guide called "Mysterious World: Ireland" we traced some of the giants that were specific to Irish mythology and folk lore. It was quite interesting to read the histories of these giants who had personal names, histories and personalities. You don't see that much in the Bible, but in Irish folk lore many of these giants had personal names, and it was
interesting to see the magic they used to battle with each other, magic which I think was technology which we don't understand. But that was part of what these fallen angels gave to the giants. It wasn't just larger, stronger bodies. They also made them very intelligent and gave them gifts of technology. It's implied in Genesis, mainly chapter 4, where they worked metals, and also in their music; the two things that Moses focused on, because those are two of the most important technologies they were given by the fallen angels.

Q: Music, maybe because it can be a mesmerizing mechanism? You can watch stage musicians and see how they can manipulate an audience. They can influence an audience to do good or bad, just through the power of music. So why would they be teaching music? Incantations or something?
A: Possibly. I had a feeling that the implication was that music or the vibration was the tool they used to manipulate matter. There are references in Irish lore where they create transformations or possibly levitate people. We hear descriptions in some ancient stories about how certain people could use music to move giant rocks around.

Q: Does that have something maybe to do with the Great Pyramid?
A: Yes. Some people have theorized that possibly had something to do with lifting all those stones; it may have been accomplished by the use of music. So playing a song would literally cause the stones to move in a certain way, and they could be easily lifted and used to build a pyramid.

Q: One of our authors, Paddy Herrin, lives in Dublin, and he believes that these giants that were thrown down from this Planet X were the ones who built the Great Pyramid. Do you believe that?
A: Yes. I think he may be correct. I've considered that before, because he mentioned the New Jerusalem, which could be considered to be a pyramid because of the description of the shape. Most people believe it to be a square, but it could also be a pyramid. I considered the possibility based on his writings and some other thoughts I had on my own, that the Great Pyramid was built as a kind of mockery of the true pyramid in heaven, trying to emulate it on earth after they had been thrown down, but they failed to do so. But some of the tech they stole from heaven - I think they stole a lot of stuff from heaven when they were thrown down. They may have tried to recreate heaven on earth, but the pyramid was really the best they could do.

Q: I want people to be aware of your research beyond this conversation, because when they start reading the material on your websites, that's the best possible piece of your resume, showing evidence of you being a great thinker and researcher. On Planet X, when were these angels thrown down, and why?
A: My theory is that there was a war in heaven over control of the throne. I'm not sure whether the throne is actually on Planet X, or I'm thinking that Planet X is more of a gateway from the spirit realm to the physical realm, and controls the entry to heaven. So that is why there has been a battle in heaven over this planet, is my theory. And as a result it was necessary to cast Satan and the others who rebelled, down on earth and keep them trapped there so they couldn't continually try and retake Planet X for themselves and control that gateway. I recall your book about star gates and the Nephilim. I believe you theorized that the ancient Babylon was actually a star gate which was used for them to enter our world, is that correct?

Q: There could be something there. There certainly seemed to be something other than the official explanation for why we were going into Iraq. Of course, all the ancient stories involving the construction of the Tower of Babel, there did seem to be something that indicated that this character, Nimrod, didn't just pick where he constructed the Tower out of the blue. And my theory is that he was possibly being transformed into something else [through DNA tinkering], because it says that "he began to become a mighty"...and the Greek word there is gibborim (sp?) ... which we understand to be the offspring of the Nephilim. So the theory is that through these transformations the offspring of the Watchers might have been able to see into these other dimensions. Maybe this was a gateway, an opening. And there's a great deal of other extra-biblical text, and even indications in the Bible, that this might have been the case. So now, then, it changes the whole reasoning behind even why we invaded Iraq. Maybe we went there for something. Maybe there is something there in terms of technology that we don't understand. Do you think that kind of reasoning is just so far outside the box that no reasonable person would perceive it as having any legitimacy at all?
A: No. I think it's very reasonable. In fact, I believe the main reason we were in Iraq is to re-find Babylon. I think the rest of it just a ruse to get us in there with a massive military force. As you'll recall, the word Babylon actually means 'gateway of the gods.' So the idea of there being a star gate or some sort of spiritual gateway is actually central to the concept of Babylon. Now, there's no reason to control that area unless there is some sort of major reason for us to be there, and I think if there was such a reason we would want to be there to control others. [I'll never forget my amazement that the very first thing US troops went after, to secure, was the great museum. They were there within 24 hours, taking things out, and I was astonished at that priority.]

Q: Even the Sumerians' understanding of it was that it is the gate to God. But, how then, would you be connecting this to the idea of Planet X?
A: Well, I actually think it was the true heaven that they were thrown down from, and there is probably an even greater gateway there. Possibly the entry point for angels to interface between the spirit world and the
physical. That's just a recent theory. I want to try to understand why there would be such a need to control heaven. And why would there be a need to create a Babylon for a gateway; maybe literally there was a gateway there. That's why I believe it figures prominently in the creation material in the Bible. And in the end times. And interwoven with the concept of the creation was the concept of Satan being thrown down from heaven to earth, and the description of the creation of earth sounds very much like there's a near-collision with another planet, to which Planet X would answer the questions very nicely. There's no other way to describe how the moon was created from a planet roughly the size of Mars, hit earth and carved out such a huge portion of it that it remained in earth's orbit to become what is now our moon. This is an established scientific fact. That is called the "Giant Impact Theory," which is a mainstream scientific theory. In my new book I combine them with my Planet X theory, that it wasn't just some giant asteroid, but was actually a satellite of Planet X and struck earth. It accomplished several things, including creating the moon, the axial tilt in moving it into its orbit closer to the sun, and we'll go into great detail as to how this was accomplished and how this is really the only answer for how earth came to be in its present form. Because based on normal principles of solar system formation, based on what we can see, and what the Royal Society can see by observing other formative solar systems in our galaxy, the earth and some of the outer planets should not have any of the characteristics that
they display, and would require the interference of an outside object for earth to be in its present form.

Q: So we'll use the terms 'aliens' and 'angels' kind of interchangeably here because in your mind aliens, angels, we're talking really about the same intelligence?
A: Yes.

Q: So these aliens from Planet X, and some people like Sitchen and von Daniken, when they're looking at these cuneiform texts, let's say from Sumeria, and they're trying to find out what they're reading about and referring to these as flying geniuses, flying intelligences, aliens from other worlds, but you're saying that these same identities are what, in the Bible we would be calling fallen angels?
A: That's correct. They have all of the same attributes. They came down from heaven to earth, they interacted with humankind; and then they interbreed to create hybrids, they preach false gospels and alien philosophies and perform very evil acts. They're very wicked beings. People who have studied aliens per se will tell you that they're not very nice. In fact they're very wicked and very devious, and they're users and abusers. And if you look at the description of the fallen angels, that's basically the same thing. They're doing the same things, they're coming from the same place, and all of them appear to be working against God's purpose on earth by preaching false gospels and teaching men to do things that are contrary to the will of God.

Q: Some of the best secular researchers in the past - Hynek, Dr. John Mack, Jacques Vallee - all came to the same conclusion; that whatever these beings are, they are identical with biblical demonology. You mentioned the word 'hybrids.' So I want to ask you about Gen 6. What does that have to do with these aliens?
A: In Gen 6 we have the same thing happening. In UFO lore we also see it happening. We have these advanced beings coming down from heaven to earth and interbreeding with humans to create hybrid forms. In the ancient worlds these were called giants or Nephilim. They were very tall, and very smart and very good looking. Since the 20th century mankind has advanced dramatically in technological prowess, and we've actually gotten taller. Our general state of being is greatly improved by the advent of technology, and some believe that the tech advances we have made are due to being seeded by these alien beings who have given people various types of tech at various points in history; that they, then, have claimed to have invented on their own. This enters the stream of human commerce, and humans become more and more advanced, more like the aliens themselves than like the humans who lived on earth since the beginning. We've changed. We're different. Our intelligence level is higher. I couldn't tell you if there are giants on the earth now, but it seems that if such a thing were to happen, it's happening right now.

Q: Were these aliens destroyed in the great flood?
A: The aliens themselves were not destroyed in the flood. But their offspring were, and their works were. The aliens which appear to be at least partially spiritual in nature wouldn't have been destroyed in such a crude act as a flood; they would have been able to escape. But what they created on earth was totally destroyed, which was God's intention. The giants and all their great stone structures were, for the most part, annihilated, and probably their technology as well. We occasionally see artifacts that are buried very deeply in the earth, such as in coal mines - the Baghdad battery, etc., but for the most part they were destroyed.

Q: Why do you suppose the aliens created giants?
A: It's my theory that they wanted to create an army that they could use to fight against heaven, because they'd been thrown down from heaven. And it was Satan's intention, and his followers, to retake heaven for
themselves. But in order to do so they needed an army. So they took the seed of men - specifically the seed of Eve - and altered one of her eggs, I believe - and re implanted it, and this became the serpent line of Cain. And
from Cain came the giants, and the giants were then trained by these fallen angels in order to create an army that they could use to fight against God himself. I believe that they will try this, and ARE trying this, again in the end times. To fight against the second coming of Christ.

Q: The English theologian, G.H. Pember, in his 1870s masterpiece, Earth's Earliest Ages, analyzed the prophecies of Jesus Christ that said the end times would be a repeat of the days of Noah. Pember outlined what he called 'the seven great causes of the antediluvian destruction,' and documented how these were developing in his lifetime. But there was one of the signs that wasn't yet obvious in the 1970s; that was the 7th sign, what he called "the most fearful sign," which would be the return of the spirits of the Nephilim - the appearance on earth of beings of the principality of the air and their unlawful intercourse with the human race. That's how he said it. Do you agree, and would we see perhaps part of this in the increase in the manifestation of UFO activity in recent years? But would this also portend that this Planet X might be in some kind of elliptical orbit that will soon bring it back into nearness, into visibility? Do you believe that Pember was correct, that that would be 'the' sign of the days of Noah that Jesus had prophesied?
A: Yes. I believe that the last of the signs will be the reappearance of the Nephilim. They're probably in hiding, and in production right now. But they'll probably reveal themselves in a dramatic way - in a very heavy-handed and very carefully timed way - because I believe they were thrown down from heaven, which is probably Planet X, and they are probably on their way here right now through the inner solar system. And, if so, they have very little time to act because if what I think is going to happen, does happen, basically the near passing of Planet X is going to be so destructive to mankind that if we're not properly prepared all mankind will be wiped out. And they're trying to fight against this. But they're so heavily mismatched by God and his angels that they're desperate, and they're going to do everything they have to in order to survive, up to and including enslaving the human race. I believe we may be in the early stages of that with these economic problems. We can think of it as the beginning of sorrows. But the actual appearance of the Nephilim; it won't be like a government UFO disclosure. It's going to be something like major flying saucers at the White House, at a major global crisis. There will be nothing accidental or flippant about it. It will be a time of earth's greatest crisis when they make their appearance.

Q: Among the schools of thought concerning aliens, some believe that wherever there home base might be, they are also traveling to the earth off and on now, from distances using advanced technology, wormholes, etc. Others, however, believe that they are already here and exist in a parallel dimension and somehow are able to move through these gateways into and out of our reality. And then a third camp believes both are happening: some are already here; some are somewhere else; and that both, using far superior technology way beyond our comprehension, are already here in another dimension, or even holographic. We talked to Chuck Missler and he went into the whole idea of a holographic extra dimensional reality, basically the mind of God, if you will, that we're living within. What do you believe? Are we talking about beings that can travel here when they want to in some kind of technology we don't understand, or do they exist in a parallel reality, or is it both?
A: Probably it's a higher dimension, something like a parallel reality. I tend to believe, based on what the Bible seems to be teaching, that there is a higher level of reality called the spirit realm. And there's a lower level, which is the physical. And there are interface points between them, where there are gateways. That's why I was thinking about the idea of Babylon as a gateway, an illegally constructed gateway that God did not want created, so he ended up taking out the Tower of Babel before it became fully operational. I think there may possibly be certainly heavily guarded and contested areas that are interface points between these two realms, and that is where these spirits pass between the realms and come here to accomplish whatever they want to accomplish. But there may be unauthorized entry points, too, which would be a serious issue for God to
manage the earth because they cause a lot of chaos. They manipulate God's creation and humans. I tend to believe there is a kind of dichotomy between the higher and the lower level of existence. And various holes in
space/time where these beings can sneak in unauthorized.

Q: You said "illegally constructed." Does this imply that under some conditions these forces would have a 'legal' right? In my 30+ years in the ministry I learned that demonic forces could actually have certain rights; in other words, where they are invited in, to a particular geography or a particular person's life, it almost takes on the form of a legal right. They have a right to be there, which is different than if they have no rights whatsoever to be there, in which case they're very easy to get rid of. But where they have invitations and rights it changes everything, and in my years of ministry I found that some people couldn't wrap their minds around that. There was a church Nita and I knew - when it was founded, many years later it was turned into an Assembly of God church. We knew the pastor there. But what he did not know is that many years earlier the building had been built by a local coven [witches]. And actually in the legal language it had been dedicated to spiritual forces. Well, for more than five years in that church the pastor had all kinds of weird, spooky stuff, like the church was haunted. Finally, one day the chief of police called him and said, "Hey, I want to show you something." He had found the old, original documents for the building, and how this legalese had been written in. And he was the first guy, Dr. Bob Cornwall, who had ever raised the question: did these beings have the legal right to be there? Now let me ask you a question. Is there any part about Babylon or anywhere else on the earth ...or this Planet X...where they have a legal right to be? Do they have a means of legal entry to our world, or is it all illegal, or does this terminology even apply at all?
A: God placed the fallen angels to administer it even from the beginning. From what I've been able to discern, they weren't very good in heaven, so he kind of demoted them to managing the earth. And so these various
powers and principalities and rulers have an authority over the earth which God gave them until such time as He found someone who could do it better. So I believe you are right; they do have the legal right to mastery over certain regions. And that building, I'm not sure they had a legal right based on a contract, but who knows? Every region has its own principality ruling over it; that's right out of the Bible.

Q: You're talking about the Divine Council.
A: The Divine Council, correct. God apportioned the earth according to the sons of God (in Deut 28?) . This is why the Nephilim formed a ruling elite over everyone they contacted because they believed that they had the
divine right of rulership, based on the fact that they were descendants of the fallen angels who had fathered them.. And in that, they were correct. Until God comes and replaces them. He'll do so...and in time. He'll replace them with Christians. They will remain in charge of the dominions of earth until they are thrown down into the abyss.

Q: So the fallen council [the fallen angels] is somehow connected to Planet X, the alien phenomenon?
A: I believe they were cast down from Planet X, and I believe that Planet X is an interface between heaven and earth. It's more of a tool or weapon that God uses, rather than the place where he lives. More of a military kind
of a Death Star situation. You don't really want to live there, but it's kind of handy if you're the King of the Universe. By the way, I think that Star Wars was one of the most brilliant anti-Christianity propaganda pieces ever created. They made it look like the divine king on the throne was in fact the evil emperor in charge of the death star, and the rebels were the good guys, and the empire were the bad guys. According to the Bible, the
opposite is true. Sometime in the future I'll write an article at www.mysteriousuniverse.com called Star Wars Cipher, in which I talk about that concept at length as to Star Wars series, particularly the first one, was a brilliant anti-Christ propaganda designed to train people to rebel against the divine throne in heaven. Planet X is evil.

Q: One of the latest entries into the SW series, The Clone Wars. Ultimately do you believe the purpose of the alien agenda is to turn mankind into a kind of clone war, an army that could be used to fight against God?
A: Yes, they'll eliminate those who will not go along with their agenda, and then interbreed and clone those who will, and use them to fight against the Second Coming. That's my theory.

Q: How does Planet X fit into the end times equation? By the way, when you talk about Planet X are you also talking about Nibiru?
A: Yes, it's the same planet. Nibiru (Nee-bee-roo) is the Sumerian name, which literally means 'the planet of the crossing.' That means it's the planet that crosses the orbits of the planets. I believe that Planet X will be used by God to chastise the earth, shake it out of its place, to actually cause great physical discomfort, possibly even cause the earth to tilt on its axis even more. The Bible says the earth will reel to and fro like a drunkard, and it would require the near passing of a planet-sized object to do that. Unless God would reach out his hand and push the earth, which I don't think he does. He tends to use other physical objects to accomplish his goals. But, also most importantly, I believe it will appear as the sign of the son of Man. Because just when that sign appears, that's when things really get bad for the inhabitants of earth. Matt. 24, this happens near the end of the tribulation period, after which time the seals hit - there are no more 1/3's and 1/2 measures [of the population; numbers of people who die]. It's major numbers of people dying. The kingdom of the Antichrist will be totally destroyed. And everyone on earth suffering from hailstones and terrible diseases. So I believe Planet X will be used by God.

Q: But now we're getting to a point which I personally think is maybe the most important point we'll make tonight. You mentioned the sign of the Son of Man appearing in the heavens. I want to get your input on recent Vatican comments "that there is a certain possibility of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe and that this would not contradict the Catholic faith." In 2005 another Vatican astronomer tackled the subject of extra-solar, ET life in a small book published by the Vatican, in which he concluded that the chances are better now, than not, that mankind is facing a discovery of ET intelligence. And before him, Msgr. Balducci went so far as to say that ET's were already interacting with earth and that some of the Vatican leaders were already aware it; he was never corrected by the Vatican. Then maverick Catholic theologian, Malachi Martin, was asked about 12 years ago, by Art Bell, why the Vatican was so heavily invested in the study of deep space at the Arizona conservatory. Fr Martin replied that it was because, at the highest levels of the Vatican "they knew what was approaching the earth within 5-10 years," and that it would be of "the greatest importance" to the earth. Someone used the term 'our space brothers.' Why do you think that the Vatican has been positioning itself in the way that it has in the last decade, in such an unprecedented way?

A: I think they've figured out that Planet X is on its way, and that it's about to figure very prominently in the end time equation: when Planet X comes down. The so-called space brothers are going to come right before it and tell us that they are God. I think the Vatican wants to be prepared for that eventuality. Some of them might want to say that, no, these beings are Antichrist, but some may want to say that these beings ARE Christ. I think the Vatican is a mixed bag right now, if you will, of true Christians and of Freemasons. [BINGO!] The Freemasons are the ones that worship these space brothers, and they want them to come down, because this is Lucifer - the same Lucifer that they've wanted to get the power from for many thousands of years, ever since the early Egyptian times. I think they're waiting for Lucifer to come down and enlighten us. But others may think that Jesus is coming, also, or both. But one thing that's clear; a telescope is not effective for searching for ET life, as we learned from Lowell's (?) attempt to study life on Mars. He thought there were canals on Mars. Even more powerful telescopes can't see the details of Mars' surface, even today. The only real use for a telescope is to search for other planets in our solar system, and distant stars. For large objects, small objects, and ET life...not effective at all. The only real reason I think they're using them is for Planet X. That was the first thing I thought of when I heard that they were doing that, because I was studying Planet X around the same time that they decided to build that telescope. [The Vatican is currently controlled by Lucifer-worshippers. As soon as I finish the UFO series on the blog I plan to do a series on the Vatican.]

Q: So you're saying this is why the Vatican actually created these observatories, so they could look for, or study, the approach of Planet X?
A: Correct. That's their primary reason. They might be looking for ET life, also; but the primary reason, and the only real reason they would have as religionists, is to search for God. And the search for God corrolates very
closely with the search for Planet X.

Q: And you also mentioned Freemasons. Of course I just put out my new book, which has a lot to do with that. And talking about the Great Seal of the United States, which is a prophecy of the return of Apollo at the end of time. Is this Apollo related to Planet X?
A: Possibly. Apollo actually, or Apollyon, is said to come up out of the abyss. So Apollo is probably one of the earlier fallen angels that were cast out, and locked in chains in the abyss - that Jude mentions. Probably he
was one of the fallen angels before the flood. It was so wicked and so out of control that he had to be chained up.

Q: And yet NASA refers to 'near earth orbiting objects' as Apollo objects. Why do they do that?
A: Possibly...I'm not certain... they use a lot of Greek terminology for a lot of things. They named one asteroid after Egyptian pharoahs. But it's an interesting question. If Apollo had something to do with one of these
near-earth asteroids, it could be the key to the abyss is actually an asteroid hitting one of our oceans and opening up a huge hole, out of which these fallen angels could then escape. [The reason NASA uses this type of terminology is that, contrary to what the public believes, NASA was never set up to do space research, but to accommodate the 'black ops' military for more esoteric purposes than simple space exploration.]

Q: Well, as you were talking, what it made me think is that maybe this has something to do with - as Planet X comes back into nearness to the earth - that this will signal that moment in time in which that spirit will rise up from out of the bottom ... maybe there's some kind of connection between the two.
A: Possibly, gravitational attraction will cause tremors or some sort of electromagnetic link to be switched off; who knows? Could be simply a reference to an asteroid hitting Europa. Planet X absolutely has a huge amount of asteroids, any one of which could hit earth and open up a hole in the abyss. In the Book of Job (Ch 28?) the other reference in the Bible to Abaddon, which is the other name of Apollyon, actually appears in Job in relationship to the creation. And during what I've determined to be the creation of the moon - by the cutting out of a huge amount of earth's mantle and throwing it into space - which I believe is actually described in Job, Sheol is uncovered ... and Abaddon has no covering. That's the only other place in the Bible where the word Abaddon is used, so it leads me to believe possibly some asteroidal impact will re-open the abyss and allow these creatures - these fallen angels - access to the upper earth again, during which time they'll create an enormous amount of mayhem.

Q: So you believe, then, that the Vatican has been searching for Planet X? And why?
A: They're searching for Planet X because they're searching for God. And God uses Planet X as one of his primary tools of managing earth. He used it to create earth; he uses it to manage earth at various points; he uses it to give signals of major events in salvation history; and he will also use Planet X to chastise earth in the end times. And possibly to replace earth at the end of the Millennium.

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COMMENT: Previous to hearing this interview, I knew next to nothing about Planet X. I've heard it referred to, of course, but never researched it at all. I thought it was perhaps a figment of the fertile imaginations of New Agers...so this was quite interesting and new to me.

Royal Heir

UFO Disclosure/Contact, Part 9 - Stan Friedman

Continuing information from a recent seminar, "Official Disclosure: Prepare For Contact," featuring top researchers, ex-government agents, world-famous field investigators, physicists and theologians. The post contains info directly from the featured speaker. Any comments by me will be in brackets [].

Stan Friedman is a nuclear physicist and the original investigator of the 1947 Roswell event, internationally renowned for explaining just how the physics of intra-galactic travel might not be so impossible after all. Rec'd his degrees in physics from University of Chicago in 1955, employed for 15 yrs as a nuclear physicist for GE, then GM, Westinghouse, TRW Systems, Aerojet, General Nucleonics, MacDonald Douglas where he worked on such advanced classified projects as nuclear aircraft, nuclear fission and fusion rockets, nuclear power plants for space and more.

Friedman spent the entire first half of the interview bashing the Astronomer Royal of Great Britain, the Royal Society itself, and any person who maintained that aliens were inter-dimensional entities and were not real visitors from other planets. This is to be expected; see my comment at the end. I did not include those comments in this blog. He was immediately unlikeable, arrogant, dogmatic, and reminded me of some of the science PhD's I encountered as an employee at a university, who denigrated anyone with an opinion different than the one they held. Friedman says: My view of the situation is drastically different because I do not assume that absence of evidence is evidence for absence.

Q: Is there anything positive in the fact that the scientific community has at least started talking about what you've been talking about for two decades?
A: I was glad to see that most of the coverage was pretty straight and I was glad to see Ted Peters' paper on the knowledge that alien contact would bring to religion. [He would be happy to see proof of visitors from other planets completely debunk all religion.] He's a theologian with a long term interest in UFOs. He's in Berkeley, and he did a survey of a lot of people and concluded that there really wouldn't be much upset to most religious people to find out we'd gotten a signal from aliens. The way the questions are asked is all important.

Q: But what if an Independence Day type craft suddenly was hovering over the White House?
A: Or if someone said three kids were abducted from the school yard; that would lead to an altogether different response.

Q: I think in any case it would be shocking. I don't care what your world view is, if all of a sudden tomorrow the sky was filled with some kind of technology that was apparent to everybody - for a little while it's at least going to close down the global economy and everyone is going to be standing there looking up wondering what will happen next. Some of the early studies from the government covered that, didn't they - when inferior cultures were confronted with superior cultures?
A: And a Brookings Institute report - about 40 yrs ago - which indicated that the group that would be most affected would be the scientific community, because they would suddenly realize they weren't all knowing. [He is taking another jab at the scientists who do not believe in beings from other planets.]

Q: I want to talk to you about the history behind Roswell. We interviewed Chuck Missler and he referred to your book on the MJ12 several times, and he talked about how what you had done illustrated the legitimacy of how some of those documents most likely are legitimate, and the phony ones are put in there for the purpose of disinformation, a known government tactic. To keep in order, let's go back to Roswell. Tell us the story about Roswell. How did you get involved in it? Roswell is probably the biggest UFO disinformation of all time. [This interviewer, Thomas Horn, is truly a master at detecting Friedman's personality. He disarms him by complimenting him - and then quotes another respected author who had also complimented Friedman, thus feeding the man's arrogance and ego. It was one of the most adroit uses of insight I've ever seen. ]

A: In the early 70s I heard about a lady in the Albuquerque area, who was working at a radio station and had a call from their Roswell affiliate, saying a saucer had crashed, and wanting to put the story out on the wire, ..so she's dictating this to put on the news wire, and suddenly a bell goes off on the machine "Do not continue this transmission. FBI." So I file it.

Then, in 1978 I was put in touch with Jesse Marcell, who had handled one of the Roswell saucers [he did not see or handle any saucer; he handled some strange pieces of material that his father brought home] when he was there in the military. He was one of the few people who could not deny that he was involved (Jesse, Sr.) because his name had been in the newspapers at the time. He was the Intelligence Officer at the Roswell Army Airfield. He was there on a Sunday when he got a call from the sheriff saying that a sheep rancher had come in with some strange materials, and said he had an entire field littered with the stuff. The base commander, Sherwin Cabot, asked Jesse to check it out. Blanchard was especially concerned about spying. He was the head of the 509th, the only atomic bombing group in the entire world.

Jesse Marcell, accompanied by another intel officer, go out and see the debris field, they find this huge area, 1/2-3/4 miles long, strewn with weird stuff. Jesse had served in the Pacific and had seen air crashes. There was nothing conventional there, he told me. No wires, no vacuum tubes, no tags saying "made in Oshkosh", no propellers, weird. He also figured out because there was no crater, and the stuff was strewn over a large area, that it had to be a midair explosion. So, they come back to town, Jesse wakes up his son, Jesse Jr., who was 11 at the time, and shows him some of this wreckage [I believe he was instructed by the military to mislead his family; of course, I have no proof of that, but he is the only military person I've ever heard of who showed or told his family about any such UFO details].

The next day he takes it in to the base for their morning meeting, and Col Blanchard gives two orders: 1. Get a B29 to take you and this stuff to our headquarters (8th AF) in Ft Worth. ..on your way to Wright Patterson AF Base, where captured enemy equipment was normally sent. He gives the 2nd order to the base Public Info Officer, to put out a press release saying we've now got one of these flying saucers people have been seeing. There had been a couple of thousand sightings in the previous TWO WEEKS. This was the week of July 4th, at the peak of interest, and all over the country papers had been jammed with articles.

When he reached Fort Worth, General Ramey (?), head of the 8th AF told Jesse not to say anything, that he would take care of it. He told the press there had been a mistake made, their was no UFO, just wreckage of a radar reflector/weather balloon combination, nothing to worry
about. The NY Times didn't have the story because the press release didn't go out until noon NM time, but by 4 PM Texas time, the cover story was all ready out. The LA paper had BOTH stories, "Army Captures Flying Saucer," "General Says It's Radar Gadget."

Q: Many of these people who were actually there and participated in the recovery had top secret security clearance, they were under rules to remain silent, but many of them as they neared death have come out and told a different story.
A: There is a DVD, "Recollections of Roswell," with testimony from 27 first hand witnesses, including Jesse Marcell, Jr. Most of the other people are dead.

Q: What has been the motive behind gov't agencies to want to cover up what has happened at Roswell and elsewhere?
A: I am not posing as a spokesman for the US government. [True...he isn't posing...]

Q: Some people say you are a government spokesman. You have referred to this as a "cosmic Watergate."

A: There is a piece on my website about gov't and UFOs. I normally give these reasons:
1. You want to figure out how they work...they make wonderful delivery and defense systems; that's where we spend a ton of money...everyone wants to have a weapons system. The first rule for security is you can't tell your friends without telling your enemies. [I'm surprised he said this, because our government spends billions in secret budgets for highly secret weapons and to 'make UFOs.']
2. The other side of the coin...what if the other guy figures out how they work before you do? How do you defend against them?
3. A political problem...If an announcement were to be made tomorrow by highly trusted people around the world, let's say the Queen and the Pope [....two good bets....] What if they were to say the world is being visited by intelligently controlled ET spacecraft, and let's say they portray them as being neutral, so it's not scary, as in 'we're going to be destroyed next month.' What would happen? The stock market would go down, hospital admissions would go up, there would be a strong response from a lot of people, chaos.
4. Some people would say they're more advanced than we are technologically, which means new methods of energy production; there go the oil companies, cars, air transport companies,
computers and communications systems ... economic chaos. [The government has technology we couldn't dream of...exchanged from the entities...we would have all the free energy the world could possibly use, such as scalar tech, if the truth were known. But then the oil companies would make no money...]
5. They may not be friendly. [When the government finally speaks to the public, they will portray the 'ET's' as a terrible threat to us. Tesla let this cat out of the bag many years ago.]

Q: Why do you think aliens would want to visit earth? What is so special about this planet?
A: I think aliens want to keep tabs on the primitives in the neighborhood who might pose a threat to them. So, I think the primary reason is to quarantine us. Secondly, ours is the densest planet in the solar system. A cubic foot of earth weighs more than a cubic foot of any other
planet, which means there are more heavy metals with very special properties here. We have rare earths here which we need for all the electronics; the aliens might have been stealing this stuff for years. There's gold, uranium, zirconium used heavily by the navies..under the ocean there are huge nodules...USOs,...who knows what they're doing down there? [Sounds like earth is a very, very special place.] I'm convinced there are all kinds of civilizations in our neighborhood; say, within 50 light years.

Q: What would you want your final commentary to be on this?
A: We're dealing with the biggest story of the millennium, the cover up of aliens from other planets. I think its time we realize we're not the big shots in the neighborhood. And maybe we ought to see ourselves as others see us, a warlike society that wastes its money killing. Children die needlessly of preventable starvation while our military budget for last year was over one
trillion dollars. There's more to life than our little quarrels down here. That may be the day we start to grow up.

MY COMMENTS. If I had not intensely studied this subject for the past 40 years I would not understand where this scientist is coming from. However, you are unlikely to hear the truth from any prominent scientist (remember Stephen Hawkings' recent statement? Same thing). There is a group called The Jason Society (or The Jason Group), to which all major scientists belong (if they value their lives). This group has been around for many years, and they are an arm of the governments and spout the views of the Illuminati. Those scientists who do not wish to cooperate by being members of this group will not be tolerated. That is why over 90 major scientists have died under 'suspicious circumstances' over the past several years.

Jason members foster the views the Government would like for us to believe, that these are alien beings from numerous planets and they wish to do us harm. A massive worldwide landing by these aliens would serve to unite the people of earth around a one-world government like nothing else. For this reason, these scientists are the ones who are so frequently on the History or Discovery Channel programs about UFOs.
This is why Friedman is so rabidly hostile to the view which is rapidly building, that these are inter-dimensional demonic entities. He is essentially a government agent.

Royal Heir

UFO Disclosure/Contact, Part 5 - James Hughes

Continuing information from a recent seminar, "Official Disclosure: Prepare For Contact," featuring top researchers, ex-government agents, world-famous field investigators, physicists and theologians. The post contains info directly from the featured speaker. Very light editing in the verbatim Q&A posts. Any comments by me will be in brackets [].

Dr. James Hughes is Director of Institute of Ethics and Emerging Technology, Bioethicist and sociologist at Trinity College in Hartford, Conn. where he teaches health policy and serves as Assoc. Dir. of Institutional Research and Planning, holds a doctorate in Sociology from the Univ. of Chicago, where he also taught bioethics at the McLean Center for Clinical Medical Ethics. Dr. Hughes is a Fellow of the World Academy of Arts and Sciences, a member of Humanity Plus, the Neuro Ethics Society, the American Society of Bioethics and Humanities, the Working Group on Ethic and Tech at Yale Univ., and is the celebrated author of "Citizen Cyborg: Why Democratic Societies Must Respond to the Redesigned Human of the Future."

NOTE: Transhumanism seeks to improve human beings by altering their DNA, adding genes, adding robotics and other technology to bring us to a state of post-human. Most do not believe in God.

Q: I'd like to get your response to all of the information that has been coming out on this subject and particularly in the Royal Society meetings. Have you paid any attention to this?
A: I did, and it's certainly on the radar screen of transhumanists in general. We are very interested in the topic of ET as it might reflect on our own trajectory here on earth.

Q: We're also approaching the anniversary of the day in April 1960 when astronomer Frank Drake at Cornell formulated his Drake Equation and kick-started the SETI program. Can you explain the Drake Equation, and what do you think of SETI?
A: I'm a strong supporter of SETI, and the Drake Equation is basically a set of calculations that try to figure out what the likelihood is of there being starfaring civilizations in our galaxy. A lot of it has been hand waving because we haven't had sufficient information about the formation of planets, for instance, around stars. But to the extent that we could, over the last 40-50 years, folks have been trying to plug into this equation. What we do know is that there is no visible evidence of other intelligent species in the galaxy, and that's pretty disappointing.

Q: Drake calculated a mathematical possibility of somewhere around 10,000 civilizations of ET intelligence. And I noticed coming out of these meetings, out of the UK over the last couple of weeks, that even the Royal Astronomer, Lloyd Martin Rees, who bends the queen's ear on such matters, had an article this week in which he said aliens may be staring us in the face, and we just don't recognize them.
A: Well, first, on the math possibilities,as I said, I think almost all people who try to plug in the numbers come up with the possibility that there have been in the past many civilizations capable of starfaring. Whether a civilization actually wants to go to the stars once they get capable of it is another whole question. I think that what Martin is pointing out is that we've been very anthropocentric about our expectations of what they would look like; most of the cultural expectations in the last 50 yrs have been of these kind of humanoid, flying saucer types; and it's most likely that the way the other species around the galaxy would have colonized or explored the galaxy, would have been in robotic - and potentially nanorobotic form. So if you start to extrapolate along THOSE lines, it may be that cockroaches may be one of the nanorobotic forms of life that aliens have sent here to check us out with. And that, of course, is certainly possible. It's a heck of a lot easier to send a tiny little robot through space in terms of payload and robustness of the form of life, than to send a big sack of meat and flesh and water [that would be us]. So, it's most likely that we wouldn't recognize as living, whatever they sent here.

Q: One of your friends is a Chair in the IEET, transhumanist philosopher, Director of the humanist Future of Humanity Institute at the Univ of Oxford, Nick Bostrum. Within the last year or so, he has written an editorial in which he says that he desperately hopes that we never find signs of ET life, advanced or otherwise, because of something having to do with what he called "the great filter." Can you explain what Bostrum was talking about?
A: It starts with the Fermi Paradox, which is the observation that so far as we can tell there's no evidence of other intelligence or starfaring civilizations in the galaxy. Now, there's the problem of time, that we may not have overlapped with their existence and the spread of their visible presence. There's many different kinds of problems with this, but it doesn't seem like they're out there. They're not doing the kind of galactic engineering that we might expect a civilization to do. Then, if that's the case, the question is: why, what happened to all the potential civilizations, that they never got to that stage? And then we want to try and extrapolate what's our likelihood of getting to that stage? So, what Nick is saying is if we were to see some evidence of them out there, then it's possible that the reason that they're aren't a lot of them is that they blow themselves up at a certain point. You get to the point of civilizational robustness, and then you invent nanotechnology or you invent quantum tunneling or something like that, and you just blow yourself to smithereens. If that's what happens to all of the potential civilizations out there, and there's a couple that make it past that, to the starfaring stage that they would become visible to us, that's bad news for us. If, on the other hand, what happens to all those civilizations is that you get up to the mammal (nano?) stage and then there's no payoff for intelligence, which is one of the hypotheses, that evolutionary theory says that intelligence is an accident, basically. So, if intelligence is an accident that we happened to have lucked into, and the reasons that we don't see starfaring civilizations is that all those others have life on them, but they never got intelligent life on them, then that's relatively good news for us, because that means that altho we may still blow ourselves up in the future, blowing yourself up in the future isn't what happened to every other potential starfaring civilization. It's just that they never lucked into intelligence. So that's what he's saying, is that hopefully we're past whatever filters there are out there that keep starfaring civilizations from being visible.

Q: Remember a few years ago, when the Cydonia phase in the Cydonia region on Mars was really popular? At that time we interviewed some of the scientists and some of the people from NASA, and I particularly remember talking to a Dr Thomas van Flanderin, who was still working in astronomy, in Celestial Mechanics at Yale. He had worked w/a team of scientists trying to determine what the mathematical possibiities would be that those structures in the Cydonia Region - the face, the 5-sided pyramid, some of the other stuff that's in that area - had arisen naturally, or by chance. And at that time they had determined that the chances of it would have been a thousand billion billion to one against that, and that in their minds it was certain that these were artificial structures. Since that time NASA has put out more high res images that seem to have dissolved that theory, at least in some people's minds. Of course, others say it's all just a big conspiracy and NASA's actually hiding it. But beyond that it raises this other question; that if we were to find a world - whether it's Mars or some other place - and actually be able to certify that there are the remains, evidence - archaology or something - old buildings and cities, or whatever, that illustrate that at one time maybe an eon ago there was intelligent advanced life, and now all of a sudden it's gone - this would be Bostrum's nightmare, right?
A: Not a nightmare so much as that it would increase the likelihood that we are going to face, in our technology development, the kinds of threats that might have wiped out other potential civilizations. It seems very likely from our current point of view, since we know that there's nuclear weapons and bioterrorism and things like that, that we could wipe ourselves out. And then the question is: how likely is the civilization like ours, with our powers, to wipe itself out? And if you look around the galaxy and you see that almost all of them did [potentially], then that would be bad news for us. So that's the problem.

Q: So it's kind of illustrating if there is such a thing as a great filter, which side of it we're on, before or after.
A: Right.

Q: Transhumanists envision a not-too-distant future when the human body and mind will be optimized through bioengineering, neurocognitive manipulation, nanotech, cyborg adaption, AI, and that could - among other things - create an ideal astronaut for space exploration, that might include self-preparing physical, mental acuity, robust longevity, even the ability to interface with the AI mind of the ship. What can you tell us about this, the pros and cons, if there are any?
A: If you are open to the possibility that humanity might be able to have a post-biological form, and I think increasingly astrobiologists ARE open to that possibility, then you think about the difficulty of trying to get living, breathing humans from here to another star system, how much space you would need on a ship - even if they were frozen - to boost; and how much energy you would need to take to boost that ship across the stars. Versus - if we imagine this scenario: that we were able to download consciousness into some non-biological form and create what transhumanists refer to hypothetically as computronian (?), some kind of extremely dense form of matter that has information properties, so that you were able to record your consciousness into some forms of matter. So you could download your big bulky meat brain into a tiny little spec of nanomatter, put it inside...presumably you could do a lot of other things, make yourself 1000x more intelligent than you currently are, but at any rate - you download it into this little spec of matter, and then all you have to do is boost that across the stars. You get to the other end, you turn on your consciousness, and activate the nanoprobe, and it begins to build some kind of body for you, and you download into that. So if we're capable of thinking about how to do that, and we imagine that other species have already figured out how to do it someplace, that's one of the reasons why trying to look for the greys, or lizard people or something like that is probably an absurd expectation for what form they would take. So, even if you don't go to that extreme, just trying to get to Mars and the amount of radiation human beings are going to be exposed to in a 6-mo trip to Mars, requires as-yet-uninvented forms of radiation shielding for a space ship that would really cook us on the way. So we need to figure out how to make the human body a lot more robust than it currently is, to be able to sustain extended periods of weightlessness, to be able to sustain exposure to gamma rays and space radiation that we would currently need if we were going to become a starfaring civilization.

Q: On the subject of how long it would take, how much fuel it would take, even if you did have people frozen, some of the people we've been talking to this week, that take almost nuts and bolts interpretation of UFO-type craft, talk about how it might be possible that they might be manipulating wormholes or something, so they may be traveling extraordinary distances in a moment in time .. and in some theoretical application may be not only traveling far distances but traveling back and forward in time. That's nothing more than quantum physics, theorizing. But there are some people who believe that this is how you would get around this problem that you're talking about.
A: Well, once you get to that level of speculation basically anything's possible. If it is possible to create stable wormholes that people could travel through ... most of the theories for creating wormholes for the purposes of time travel or space travel, require that you create the wormhole one place and then take one side of it, and zip it around the galaxy to some place else. So that still requires physical space travel - and you have to tow around half of a wormhole - to the other side of the galaxy. So it's possible that it's hidden someplace, certainly sci fi speculates about that, that maybe civilizations have been to our solar system before, and out by Jupiter we're going to find a tiny little wormhole that we haven't noticed yet, that is the other end of something that we'll be able to connect up to. But, so far, we haven't seen anything like that.

Q: One of the physicist for CERN speculated that their large collider might actually open a gateway or a portal through which he said "we might send something or which something might come through to us. "So it's interesting speculation when it's coming from some of these people who do hold high degrees in physics and think that, at least on a theoretical level, it would be possible. Some of the other people we've talked to this week think that this whole idea that you're trying to use some kind of advanced science is silly, because whatever these ETs are, they are metaphysical. They're supernatural. Or extra dimensional, in that they're not traveling anywhere. They're around us all the time and maybe employ some kind of science for moving in and out of our 3-dimensional or 4-dimensional reality. But, I want to stick with transhumanism right now. There have been a number of new films, books, even comics, that employ the transhumanist theme of quasi-mortals involved in space exploration and discovery. One of the reviewers for James Cameron's new film, "Avatar," stated in his movie review five or six days ago, that this entire movie from his point of view was transhumanism from start to finish. He pointed at how 100% of the characters in the movie were doing everything they could do in the movie, because they were enhancing their bodies with external secondary means, plugging into remote links to Navi , having human/hybrid bodies, space marines using exo-skeleton suits. He talked about how the Navi are able to biologically interact with animals, and even the lesser characters were constantly using 3-D, immersive displays for nearly everything they do. I'd like to get your feedback on anything you may have noticed about the emergence of transhumanist themes in pop culture, especially as it involves the future dream of space exploration.
A: This has been a long time interest of mine. I started doing research on this about 20 years ago. My interest in particular is whether popular culture is reflecting an increasingly positive image of post-human, non-human intelligence. So I have been tracking the empires, zombies, aliens, robots, etc. as examples of trends, both in terms of our attitudes toward things like race - for instance, if you look at "Men in Black," the very first MIB movie starts with a very explicit reference to cross-border Mexican immigration, and attitudes toward them being also transplanted over there - to attitudes toward aliens on our planet. Many of these attitudes that people have toward alien life reflect popular anxieties about other cultures and peoples, and how quickly society is changing, and whether they're in control, and things like that. That's one aspect of it. But on the other hand, as transhumanists, we expect that there are going to be robot/humans and there are going to be human/animal hybrids, and we're concerned about how they're being portrayed because we think that there is a lot of potential for a hostile, negative public reaction [not surprisingly!]. So, we're interested in seeing that there be positive images, or at least sophisticated images that are both positive and negative. And I have not found a positive trend. I think you find positive images like "Avatar" but they're alongside a plethora of vampire and zombie films and films where the aliens want to suck out your brain. So for every time you find an example of post-human existence in a nonhuman body, you find examples of horrific images as well.I don't really think that there's a Hollywood conspiracy to soften this up. Hollywood is basically selling the images that people respond to, and they respond as much or more to horrific images of these things as they do to positive ones.

Q: I guess my point is that vision in film is often tomorrow's reality. Back when I was a kid we were watching Buck Rogers, now it's true in the 21st Century. He had that big watch, and within one generation we're carrying around devices that have more computing power than some of the big original military computer systems had during WWII. So I look at what we're seeing in film right now, and I think it will be tomorrow's science, and talking to you helps to separate what is reality and what will probably never happen.
A: I do think the Navi tech that they portray in the movie of humans being able to plug their consciousness into genetically compatible or neurologically compatible bodies is eventually going to be possible. That's kind of transhumanist dogma, that everything will eventually be possible.

Q: There's a lot in the transhumanist philosophy and vision for the future that concerns me because of my worldview [Questioner, Tom Horn, is a Christian] but I do believe that most of what is being speculated about is going to happen.
A: Well, pretty much by definition, if singularitarians are right that we're going to invent some superhuman consciousness and it will be capable of becoming godlike, as they call it, then yes, as soon as we get that then it would be possible in the next year, invent the Navi technology, and then do what they show in that movie. But whether those godlike AIs would want to stick around and help out humanity to invent ways of helping the disabled or not, that's one of the reasons I'm not a singularitarian.

Q: You kind of answered this a little earlier, but I want to rephrase it from this movie. The Navi, they're very humanlike. They feel passions almost identical to us, they have sex, they bear children, they raise families in
clans. They're an alien race very much like us, based on our concepts of what we think aliens would be or could be or should be - And how they, even in moral ways, would be superior to those gun-toting grunts that are going to want to mow everybody down in the film. How realistic is it, though, do you think, that if a discovery of ETI turned up in the very near future that we would be looking at people who are a very human-like species, and not just nanorobot roaches that you referred to earlier, but something that might be more similar to us, or is that just a pipe dream? Is there even any working theory that would suggest that if life is developing in an advanced stage on another planet that there are reasons why biologically it would be able to develop similar to us as hominid?
A: Xenobiologists have been doing their own version of the Drake Equation, trying to roll back the question of what is life, to its starting point, and say what are the different kinds of materials you could use to build life out of; so, there's speculation about silicon-based life, and life that could exist at the bottom of a gravity well of a Jupiter-like planet. So if you look at the entire space of life on earth; the majority of the biomass on earth is not human. Its bacteria, beetles, things like that. So, if you just look at earth, you're probably not going to run across humanoids in your exploration of the rest of the galaxy.

Q: Lord Rees said that ET could be looking right at us and we might not even know it, and that lifeforms - at least as microorganisms or something like that - we're finding in Antarctica are very hardy and can exist in conditions, even in volcanos, that 100 yrs ago we wouldn't have been able to believe. And now they're finding some indications that - like the moons of Europa - and on Mars, there's indication that there was water; There still may be some surface water and that there could be forms of life in those subsurface water systems. Do you think there's anything to that? Do you think it's probable that when we do make it to Mars that we will discover that there are things like that on Mars. Could it pose a potential threat to us, the Andromeda Strain?
A: I'm not so much worried about the Andromeda Strain, altho NASA has had protocols since we first landed on the moon for decontamination of space materials that are brought back from other planets, so there are protocols that are long thought out about how to deal with potential risk of infection. I'm quite certain that there has been cross contamination between Mars and earth in terms of at least microbiological life, and this is based on my reading of other astrobiogists. So I think we'll find at least some rudimentary life forms in the rest of the solar system.

Q: Let me turn this now to the more esoteric. The Vatican has for the last several years had comments from
various astronomers talking about how they believe there is a real possibility that we will soon be faced with our space brothers. Balducci actually made some fairly startling claims that ETs were already interacting with earth, and at the highest levels of Vatican administration there were people there who were aware of it. And even before that you had Vatican insider Malachi Martin out there saying the reason the Vatican is so heavily invested in the study of deep space at that observatory in Arizona was 'because they know what's approaching the earth,' and that it will be of the utmost importance in the next 5-10 years. His 10-year time frame ran out about 24 months ago, and you do have what seems like a significant amount of information coming out of the Vatican. So, do you think the Vatican knows something we don't, or is it simply positioning itself for the inevitable in order to somehow preserve its authority under any future scenario?
A: I think you and I know as much about alien life as the Vatican does. I don't think the Vatican has any hot line to some previous alien visitation or has an ambassador to Alpha Centauri or anything. I think what the Vatican is, though, is the oldest continuing institution in the world, and as a consequence it has a kind of organizational intelligence, not to mention Jesuits and the Vatican observatory, which is well respected - and people who work in astrobiology who are associated with that. So that's a little bit of intellectual vigor that
it brings to these questions, as well as an interest in organizational survival, so it does do some of those kinds of futurist speculation in a way that's very interesting, and I think that they're certainly right to try to anticipate what the effect might be for their theology, of these kinds of changes. Now, they haven't been terribly intelligent in the past. You know, they hung on to the heliocentric model of the universe for quite a long time, and persecuted people like Galileo in a way that really didn't help their case, and they resisted the growth of democracy for 150 years and it didn't help their case. And I don't think they're that smart about trying to figure these things out, but at least they're asking an interesting question.

Q: At Arizona State University there's a project that they came up with called "The Sophia Project." Are you familiar with that? In the press release it said the purpose of this study is to investigate the experiences of people who claim to channel or communicate with deceased people's spirit guides, angels, other wordly entities, ETs, and/or a universal intelligent God and that the objective is to investigate whether that can be
validated - that this communication is occurring. This means in some people's opinions ET is already here. This takes it back to this multi-dimensional reality. What do you make of any of that?
A: I'm a skeptic.

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Comments: It is absolutely fascinating to see the huge gulf between the thinking of theologians, UFO researchers, field investigator VERSUS the military and scientists. They are generally diametrically opposed to each other in their views of UFOs. The first group believes they are inter-dimensional demonic entities, and the second group tries to portray them as solid physical beings from other planets.

Also intriguing to me is that, while the actual scientific results prove that there is no known life off Earth, the (so-called) scientist's opinions are littered with words and phrases such as: 'possibility, theory, if, no visible evidence, potential, if we lucked into, a thousand billion billion to one against it, so far we haven't seen it' - and yet they are billed as the objective ones. Their abilities to close their minds to the actual evidence is the same rigidity of mindset as their belief in the theory of evolution. They refuse to budge off their views, none of which can be proven. At the same time, they are "skeptics" when it comes to the real evidence of demonic activity.

The other thing noteworthy of this interview is that it gives some insight into the very real world of transhumanism - and human/animal hybrids - that have already actually been created and exist in labs around the world.

No wonder God is coming back to judge the world.

Royal Heir