UFO Disclosure/Contact, Part 9 - Stan Friedman

Continuing information from a recent seminar, "Official Disclosure: Prepare For Contact," featuring top researchers, ex-government agents, world-famous field investigators, physicists and theologians. The post contains info directly from the featured speaker. Any comments by me will be in brackets [].

Stan Friedman is a nuclear physicist and the original investigator of the 1947 Roswell event, internationally renowned for explaining just how the physics of intra-galactic travel might not be so impossible after all. Rec'd his degrees in physics from University of Chicago in 1955, employed for 15 yrs as a nuclear physicist for GE, then GM, Westinghouse, TRW Systems, Aerojet, General Nucleonics, MacDonald Douglas where he worked on such advanced classified projects as nuclear aircraft, nuclear fission and fusion rockets, nuclear power plants for space and more.

Friedman spent the entire first half of the interview bashing the Astronomer Royal of Great Britain, the Royal Society itself, and any person who maintained that aliens were inter-dimensional entities and were not real visitors from other planets. This is to be expected; see my comment at the end. I did not include those comments in this blog. He was immediately unlikeable, arrogant, dogmatic, and reminded me of some of the science PhD's I encountered as an employee at a university, who denigrated anyone with an opinion different than the one they held. Friedman says: My view of the situation is drastically different because I do not assume that absence of evidence is evidence for absence.

Q: Is there anything positive in the fact that the scientific community has at least started talking about what you've been talking about for two decades?
A: I was glad to see that most of the coverage was pretty straight and I was glad to see Ted Peters' paper on the knowledge that alien contact would bring to religion. [He would be happy to see proof of visitors from other planets completely debunk all religion.] He's a theologian with a long term interest in UFOs. He's in Berkeley, and he did a survey of a lot of people and concluded that there really wouldn't be much upset to most religious people to find out we'd gotten a signal from aliens. The way the questions are asked is all important.

Q: But what if an Independence Day type craft suddenly was hovering over the White House?
A: Or if someone said three kids were abducted from the school yard; that would lead to an altogether different response.

Q: I think in any case it would be shocking. I don't care what your world view is, if all of a sudden tomorrow the sky was filled with some kind of technology that was apparent to everybody - for a little while it's at least going to close down the global economy and everyone is going to be standing there looking up wondering what will happen next. Some of the early studies from the government covered that, didn't they - when inferior cultures were confronted with superior cultures?
A: And a Brookings Institute report - about 40 yrs ago - which indicated that the group that would be most affected would be the scientific community, because they would suddenly realize they weren't all knowing. [He is taking another jab at the scientists who do not believe in beings from other planets.]

Q: I want to talk to you about the history behind Roswell. We interviewed Chuck Missler and he referred to your book on the MJ12 several times, and he talked about how what you had done illustrated the legitimacy of how some of those documents most likely are legitimate, and the phony ones are put in there for the purpose of disinformation, a known government tactic. To keep in order, let's go back to Roswell. Tell us the story about Roswell. How did you get involved in it? Roswell is probably the biggest UFO disinformation of all time. [This interviewer, Thomas Horn, is truly a master at detecting Friedman's personality. He disarms him by complimenting him - and then quotes another respected author who had also complimented Friedman, thus feeding the man's arrogance and ego. It was one of the most adroit uses of insight I've ever seen. ]

A: In the early 70s I heard about a lady in the Albuquerque area, who was working at a radio station and had a call from their Roswell affiliate, saying a saucer had crashed, and wanting to put the story out on the wire, ..so she's dictating this to put on the news wire, and suddenly a bell goes off on the machine "Do not continue this transmission. FBI." So I file it.

Then, in 1978 I was put in touch with Jesse Marcell, who had handled one of the Roswell saucers [he did not see or handle any saucer; he handled some strange pieces of material that his father brought home] when he was there in the military. He was one of the few people who could not deny that he was involved (Jesse, Sr.) because his name had been in the newspapers at the time. He was the Intelligence Officer at the Roswell Army Airfield. He was there on a Sunday when he got a call from the sheriff saying that a sheep rancher had come in with some strange materials, and said he had an entire field littered with the stuff. The base commander, Sherwin Cabot, asked Jesse to check it out. Blanchard was especially concerned about spying. He was the head of the 509th, the only atomic bombing group in the entire world.

Jesse Marcell, accompanied by another intel officer, go out and see the debris field, they find this huge area, 1/2-3/4 miles long, strewn with weird stuff. Jesse had served in the Pacific and had seen air crashes. There was nothing conventional there, he told me. No wires, no vacuum tubes, no tags saying "made in Oshkosh", no propellers, weird. He also figured out because there was no crater, and the stuff was strewn over a large area, that it had to be a midair explosion. So, they come back to town, Jesse wakes up his son, Jesse Jr., who was 11 at the time, and shows him some of this wreckage [I believe he was instructed by the military to mislead his family; of course, I have no proof of that, but he is the only military person I've ever heard of who showed or told his family about any such UFO details].

The next day he takes it in to the base for their morning meeting, and Col Blanchard gives two orders: 1. Get a B29 to take you and this stuff to our headquarters (8th AF) in Ft Worth. ..on your way to Wright Patterson AF Base, where captured enemy equipment was normally sent. He gives the 2nd order to the base Public Info Officer, to put out a press release saying we've now got one of these flying saucers people have been seeing. There had been a couple of thousand sightings in the previous TWO WEEKS. This was the week of July 4th, at the peak of interest, and all over the country papers had been jammed with articles.

When he reached Fort Worth, General Ramey (?), head of the 8th AF told Jesse not to say anything, that he would take care of it. He told the press there had been a mistake made, their was no UFO, just wreckage of a radar reflector/weather balloon combination, nothing to worry
about. The NY Times didn't have the story because the press release didn't go out until noon NM time, but by 4 PM Texas time, the cover story was all ready out. The LA paper had BOTH stories, "Army Captures Flying Saucer," "General Says It's Radar Gadget."

Q: Many of these people who were actually there and participated in the recovery had top secret security clearance, they were under rules to remain silent, but many of them as they neared death have come out and told a different story.
A: There is a DVD, "Recollections of Roswell," with testimony from 27 first hand witnesses, including Jesse Marcell, Jr. Most of the other people are dead.

Q: What has been the motive behind gov't agencies to want to cover up what has happened at Roswell and elsewhere?
A: I am not posing as a spokesman for the US government. [True...he isn't posing...]

Q: Some people say you are a government spokesman. You have referred to this as a "cosmic Watergate."

A: There is a piece on my website about gov't and UFOs. I normally give these reasons:
1. You want to figure out how they work...they make wonderful delivery and defense systems; that's where we spend a ton of money...everyone wants to have a weapons system. The first rule for security is you can't tell your friends without telling your enemies. [I'm surprised he said this, because our government spends billions in secret budgets for highly secret weapons and to 'make UFOs.']
2. The other side of the coin...what if the other guy figures out how they work before you do? How do you defend against them?
3. A political problem...If an announcement were to be made tomorrow by highly trusted people around the world, let's say the Queen and the Pope [....two good bets....] What if they were to say the world is being visited by intelligently controlled ET spacecraft, and let's say they portray them as being neutral, so it's not scary, as in 'we're going to be destroyed next month.' What would happen? The stock market would go down, hospital admissions would go up, there would be a strong response from a lot of people, chaos.
4. Some people would say they're more advanced than we are technologically, which means new methods of energy production; there go the oil companies, cars, air transport companies,
computers and communications systems ... economic chaos. [The government has technology we couldn't dream of...exchanged from the entities...we would have all the free energy the world could possibly use, such as scalar tech, if the truth were known. But then the oil companies would make no money...]
5. They may not be friendly. [When the government finally speaks to the public, they will portray the 'ET's' as a terrible threat to us. Tesla let this cat out of the bag many years ago.]

Q: Why do you think aliens would want to visit earth? What is so special about this planet?
A: I think aliens want to keep tabs on the primitives in the neighborhood who might pose a threat to them. So, I think the primary reason is to quarantine us. Secondly, ours is the densest planet in the solar system. A cubic foot of earth weighs more than a cubic foot of any other
planet, which means there are more heavy metals with very special properties here. We have rare earths here which we need for all the electronics; the aliens might have been stealing this stuff for years. There's gold, uranium, zirconium used heavily by the navies..under the ocean there are huge nodules...USOs,...who knows what they're doing down there? [Sounds like earth is a very, very special place.] I'm convinced there are all kinds of civilizations in our neighborhood; say, within 50 light years.

Q: What would you want your final commentary to be on this?
A: We're dealing with the biggest story of the millennium, the cover up of aliens from other planets. I think its time we realize we're not the big shots in the neighborhood. And maybe we ought to see ourselves as others see us, a warlike society that wastes its money killing. Children die needlessly of preventable starvation while our military budget for last year was over one
trillion dollars. There's more to life than our little quarrels down here. That may be the day we start to grow up.

MY COMMENTS. If I had not intensely studied this subject for the past 40 years I would not understand where this scientist is coming from. However, you are unlikely to hear the truth from any prominent scientist (remember Stephen Hawkings' recent statement? Same thing). There is a group called The Jason Society (or The Jason Group), to which all major scientists belong (if they value their lives). This group has been around for many years, and they are an arm of the governments and spout the views of the Illuminati. Those scientists who do not wish to cooperate by being members of this group will not be tolerated. That is why over 90 major scientists have died under 'suspicious circumstances' over the past several years.

Jason members foster the views the Government would like for us to believe, that these are alien beings from numerous planets and they wish to do us harm. A massive worldwide landing by these aliens would serve to unite the people of earth around a one-world government like nothing else. For this reason, these scientists are the ones who are so frequently on the History or Discovery Channel programs about UFOs.
This is why Friedman is so rabidly hostile to the view which is rapidly building, that these are inter-dimensional demonic entities. He is essentially a government agent.

Royal Heir

UFO Disclosure/Contact, Part 7 - Dr. Mike Heiser

Continuing information from a recent seminar, "Official Disclosure: Prepare For Contact," featuring top researchers, ex-government agents, world-famous field investigators, physicists and theologians. The post contains info directly from the featured speaker. Questioner is Thomas Horn. Any comments by me will be in brackets []. Very light editing done on Q&As.

DR. MIKE HEISER, PhD in Hebrew Bible and Semitic Languages from Univ of Wisconsin, prior to which he earned an M.A. in Ancient History from Univ of PA. Mike's other interests include paranormal and occult religions and Western Esotericism. He is particularly interested in how these worldviews and traditions have historically drawn on biblical and ancient Near Eastern material and, in turn, influenced biblical interpretation on the popular level. He is particularly known for his critiques of "para babble" and inside-the-box religious thinking.

Q: We particularly want to bend your mind on the subject of panspermia, which has been in these conversations at the Royal Society and in the news lately. To start with, just to this avalanche of recent news addressing if we are alone in the universe, what can you tell us about what's been going on with these meetings and your thoughts about them?
A: Part of me wants to look at this and say: this is the definition of the word 'bluster,' because there's nothing new here in terms of the content. But, on the other hand, about the only thing that's really new is the number of credentialed people - scientists - who are willing to get on this band wagon and promote this idea. It never really ceases to amaze me how scientists, who make their livings by being rational, come out with really outlandish claims on the basis of no evidence at all [I couldn't agree more] and really not a whole lot of reason. The real importance of it is the psychology of it for the public. I do believe there is a greater intelligence; I'm not talking now about God, but the 'other side' here, which is out to manipulate the public, wants to expand, reinforce, and maintain certain ideas in the minds of people, about who we are and how we got here - and really big theological questions. So, the meetings have real importance in the sense of moving the big paradigm of thought in a certain way.

Q: So it's raising the legitimacy of the conversation?
A: I think that, but even more I'm one who believes that it doesn't matter if there ever really is ET life - because I think the idea will be put forth in the mainstream, whether it's real or not. I'm more interested in why the idea is out there, how useful it is, what its place is in a larger agenda, what role it will play in molding people's beliefs - really turning them away from anything that we would call traditional theism and the Judaeo-Christian worldview, and of Christianity in particular. I don't think it matters whether they come up with evidence or not, and I think there will be certain things in my lifetime that are latched onto, that are offered as proof - even though, to date, not a single life form at any level, microbial on up, has been discovered either on earth or in space. What you have are the components of life, but any scientist will tell you that the components of life are easy to get in a lab; creating life is something altogether different. So you take the lack of ability to even create life in a lab, and then you take it out into space, it's so far from being actually established -- I have to look at it and wonder why they aren't speaking rationally at this point. I really think it's a religious thing. I think they want so badly to believe in this to justify their scientific work that they're willing to overlook the obvious. Despite that there's never a shred of proof, they always say it's just around the corner, like the Cubs winning the World Series. I think that eventually they'll offer something that, under real scrutiny - like all the 'missing links' in evolution theory - and then it will be the plaything for panspermia in the scientific community. And it will succeed in shifting the way people think and talk about origins. I'm more interested in that aspect, and I think it really will occur soon. That to me is more important ... in how it molds people's belief systems. Rather than being able to prove ETs.

Q: They landed a probe this year on Mars, and they actually made the comment that they had found life. I haven't heard anything about it since.
A: You find the conditions for life, but you haven't discovered an actual life form. It's always: "well, maybe they're locked in the ice, or at one time in the past the conditions would have been just right." But none is ever actually found. It's always the table setting and never the meal.

Q: Is part of that because of the limits thus far of our technological advancement?
A: But that just moves you to the next question. Let's just say that they find organisms that are similar or identical to organisms on earth, that are not carbon based, but live in one of these extreme environments. Well, the next question is, did these here on earth come from space? How would you ever hope to prove that? There's one school of panspermia that's considered a little more extreme, that actually postulates that life existed everywhere, from the very beginning, in the entire universe. Okay, so let's just say that this might be the case, that this might be the stuff of creation; obviously an atheist won't refer to like that. But you can have two things occurring at widely disparate points, and that's the factual point, let's say Life form A and Life form B, and they're sure a lot alike. But to make the leap, then, that A was caused by B - those are entirely different questions, and quite beyond the discovery of an ET. Nevertheless, you can imagine if you had that situation, people would extrapolate that baby to death. And it will really impact the way the public thinks about its own point of origin.

Q: You mentioned Frank Drake [and his Drake Equation]. I've always been a little confused about how one camp can take his equation and say it's a very hopeful idea, and other people look at it and say it's a mathematical impossibility.
A: I actually just recently blogged about the Drake Equation. This was an equation that came up with a way to say how many potential worlds there might be out there that we might be able to make contact with; the end result [potential planets with life] of that was 10 - NOT 10,000, as many say. And scientists have actually gone back to the Drake Equation, using all the additional knowledge we have now, and the new estimate is now 2.1. So there's possibly two galaxies out there that we could communicate with. It's incredible that this equation is what generates all this optimism and enthusiasm. Most scientists actually even consider the odds worse than that, because every single component of the equation itself is nothing more than a GUESS. Many people call it absolutely worthless for anything at all, and I'm inclined to agree with that. But it has become like a creed, in the ET life community, a point of dogma.

Q: Do you think there are any new approaches to astrobiology that could be game changers? In the last two years there has been something like 400 extra solar planets found. Do you think that kind of approach to space exploration, or the attempt to try to find a habitable world in a better method than the Drake Equation - or even SETI, for that matter, just sending signals out into the middle of space?
A: SETI has been a total failure. It seems to me like if you're able scientifically to assess some of the things that you just mentioned, then it might make more sense to put the resources into those [things you mentioned]. And why not put the resources into a manned mission to Mars? You get these people who get older, and they want to validate their professional lives, for the positions they've taken. They get a little bit blinded by the wish to be shown correct. I do think we'd be better off putting the resources into something else than these old entrenched things like SETI and the Drake Equation.

Q: One professor at the Royal Society meeting said: "New evidence from astrobiology overwhelmingly supports the view that life was seeded from outside earth when microbes were deposited on this planet approximately 3.8 million years ago." Any response to that?
A: Panspermia, in its simplest definition, is the idea that life was seeded from space; once those building blocks were deposited here and came together in evolution, then voila! Life. There are two major types [schools of thought re: panspermia] : 1) directed (by God or ETs), and 2)undirected (random). Now, the scientist you refer to has been around for years. He was an early proponent of panspermia and for many years he was practically the only person pushing the idea. I would say to him, because I've read his material: show me the life form. All that he's got is 'overwhelming evidence' ... in other words, he has nothing. But he has more places to look. The other thing he has is, there have been new ideas put forth as to the viability of mechanism, i.e., how it could get to earth. But, again, all we have is more ideas. So I don't know how that adds up to 'overwhelming evidence.' It adds up to, "Hey, there's more here to think about." If you are trying to push the idea, you really believe in it like he does, then you're going to use a little bit of hyperbole. Even if you found a life form here that matches a life form out in space, how do you argue coherently and successfully, scientifically, that one is the result of the other?

Q: And speaking of hyperbole, there have been several grandiose statements that seem to be in contrast to the idea that we're talking about a society of scientists. Some of these guys are peer-reviewed scientists, using language as if we have unprecedented evidence of ET intelligence...overwhelmingly support.
A: Here are the facts [they say]: it can now be peer-reviewed by scientists out of our little community of cheerleaders.

Q: It is an interesting time we're living in, because so many of these Royal Scientists..it's almost like we're seeing a new age of enlightenment or an intellectual movement, when so many from different disciplines talk about this as a matter of faith, almost like a statement of religious persuasion. And it seems to have occurred rather rapidly.
A: I think the rapidity of it is a little bit mythical, and here's what I mean. The church has been thinking about this question for centuries. If you're living in an age where knowledge can't be disseminated quickly, who's going to hear about it? It's not like this question is new, but the rapidity... and it give you the feel - and I think it's more than a feel...I think it's real - that you're starting to get this critical mass of so many people at the same time entering the discussion and thinking about the question. And that works two ways; it motivates the scientific community, the public, philosophers, theologians, and it snowballs. But the question is very old, in the church.

Q: My second question about panspermia stems from the idea [he names some professor] that seeding the earth with life is not just an option, it's a moral obligation. This would be in reference to directed panspermia, like we as humans have a purpose to propagate life, to transfer our microbial seed from earth and to seed the universe with it.
A: It's interesting on two levels because, on the one hand - I don't know if he's a Christian, but if he was a Christian I would not be surprised by that thinking, because life is a gift from God. I don't know if I would go so far as to say we have a moral imperative, because I don't see any scriptural basis to do that, but the thinking is consistent. If he's not a Christian it's, at the very least, ironic that he's talking about a moral imperative to do anything. Where would the moral imperative come from?

Q: Planetary scientists are announcing that maybe on the 9th moon of Saturn or Europa, that there is sub-crustal liquid - oceans - and they seem to be indicating traces of hydrocarbons, etc. that makes him think that life might exist there. There's been a theory developed, at least by Dr. Walt Brown in his book, that the earth also once had a sub-crustal ocean, and that during the great flood when the earth's crust was ruptured, the great seas of the deep broke up; and that it released this inner ocean with its water and mud, and that a part of it could have escaped into space and carried microbes from the earth to another planet(s), and that if we ever actually find microbial life there it's as least as good a theory as anything else to say that it actually originated on earth.
A: I'm familiar with the theory that it works both ways, and in general, that is a valid observation because one of the problems with panspermia is mechanism [how to deliver it between planets]. And who is to say that if you find life elsewhere, it didn't come from earth? Because it's really the same question -- the same 'mechanism' issue or problem. And frankly, the mechanisms that are used to get life here on earth, can equally be used to transfer life. So I'm in general agreement. There's no reason to say it could only happen one way.

Q: I'm somewhat suspicious that Guy Cosmonalco [Vatican astronomer], who wrote his booklet, Intelligent Life in the Universe... because he had said in one interview that he was working on his next project, which he called 'a mind bending concept,'... that he was referring to was the "Jesus seed" theory. And because he had said this in the context of astrobiology, or even how life might migrate from one place to the other, I found this directed panspermia theory kind of echoing some of what I --- as I'm reading between the lines, some of what he is saying, I think - is that what God did, and God does, is use panspermia to spread life throughout the universe, and that maybe it started on the earth, or maybe somewhere else. We'll have to wait and see what he actually says in the book.
A: The Jesus seed idea is not new. C.S. Lewis - I mean it's just not new to have life on other planets - and his Jesus seed theory actually goes even farther than that, God seeding life on other planets the same way, same process, each time. And he'll even say things like, there will be a Jesus on every one of these planets to redeem..that's C.S. Lewis, who got the idea from his predecessor (name?). I think that's one of those quirky Catholic things that they feel somehow compelled to link the idea of multiple redeemers to this whole ET question. I've blogged plenty of this on my UFO blog. www.drmsh.com is my main website, and across the top are links to my other websites and blogs, and one of those is www.uforeligions.com

Q: All these recent comments from Fr. Gabriel Funes (before him Cosmonolgo, and before that Msgr Balducci, who said ET is already here, and that people at the highest levels of the Vatican are aware of it)...and before him Malachi Martin, saying that we're nearer now than ever to disclosure - and that it will not challenge the authority of the Church, won't unhinge the doctrine of Christ. What is your response to what has been happening here?
A: My response is the same. I don't really care what authority figure it is. Show me the proof. Show me the ET. Frankly I think Balducci is not a very clear thinker. There are things that he affirms in a theological sort of way about ETs - I have quotes from Balducci - and from Theosophy and pagan occult religions that are just WORD FOR WORD the same. I asked Balducci how he could affirm this and still affirm his faith, his position in the church? Because where these ideas lead are antithetical to Catholic doctrine. And you don't have to be Catholic; if you're talking about the deity of Christ, the godhead, these fundamental ideas. So, either he has not thought that through very well at all, or maybe the question hasn't even occurred to him. I just do not think he's a clear thinker. But I won't say he didn't say that, or even that he didn't hear that from someone else. When that day comes that the church actually endorses that position, then I'll pay more attention.

Q: But the Church has not rebuked or repudiated him. Why is the Vatican publicly positioning itself in this way? A conspiracy might say it's because they know something we don't. Others say it really comes down to them positioning their authority over the laity just in case.
A: I think they're scared. I think they have a tremendous amount to lose if they're not prepared with a coherent response to their parishioners. In view of their past history, they would never recover if they were not laying groundwork before anything like this were ever announced. They would be toast if they were caught completely empty handed with this. I think it would be wise for the Christian evangelical community to do the same thing. Because it could cut both ways. I've done a lot of work, as have others, about what if some of this is really sinister? What if it's demonic? We've been down that road a lot and I think the church, if that's what it turns out to be - the church should be prepared to recognize that. If it's not what that turns out to be, I think we need a more coherent response than lots of 'Jesus-es' running around in black.

Q: That was exactly Chuck Missler's comment two years ago - studies that were funded by the government, and it was suggested that ET intelligence might result in the complete collapse of society. They were making comparisons about how underdeveloped cultures historically collapsed when suddenly they were faced with a far superior one. But, more recent polls show a vast difference now. Most people, including Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, etc., said the ETs would not contradict their faith or change their religious faith. You often lecture on whether Christianity could handle ET reality. What do you think about this change in public opinion?
A: I agree that there has been a profound change. The latest survey on this was led by Ted Peters, and that was the first of these surveys that included self-described evangelicals. And the results are pretty much similar, sort of 'it's fascinating, but it doesn't bother my faith' attitude. Now, the flip side of that is that there are those who say this because they are so theologically ignorant, anyway. I think that's a little cynical, because I am not theologically ignorant, and I do think that what I would call a conservative evangelical Christian would go on without a blip. It would not bother me in the least theologically [this is not necessarily true of most theologians]. I have no theological problem with it. And I'm not one that has lots of 'Jesus-es' running around or appearing to me. This is one of my gripes with the Christian position on this, which is dominated by Catholicism. I think it's actually a good sign that people are thinking this way. But, let me have my own caveat here. I think I would feel better about it if people could articulate why they don't have a problem with it. That would give us a more stable church and a more stable response should something like this actually happen. And I'm not optimistic that a lot of believers can do that. [Nor am I.] A lot of believers can't articulate much more tried and true components of their theology. So, I'm a little apprehensive, not at the idea of ETs, but that if and when it's announced - whether it's true or not - you're going to have people like the "Sitchen-ites" just swoop down on Bible believers, and re-define all the terms and reframe the whole issue; and I am not optimistic that we have an army of believers that are capable of dismissing the very poor argumentation about the ancient astronaut crowd. To me, that is a threat. [This is my biggest concern,too.] So it's not really the idea of ET existing that I am worried about. I'm worried about what will be done with it, and how believers will be victimized by a false framing or articulation of the implications.

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COMMENTS: I, too, believe the evangelical fundamental churches are absolutely unprepared for any such 'appearance or contact' with ETs. Most know nothing about the subject and are totally unprepared to tell their parishioners the truth - or what to do. This will leave the vast majority of Christians at the mercy of this great delusion and deception. There will be 'contact with ETs.' It's definitely coming, but it will be a staged event, possibly with 'UFOs' [military technology the masses know nothing about], ETs [through holographic technology] ... and it will seem very real. This is definitely in the plans of the demon-infested leaders of this world. What will the ministers do about this if it occurs? Will they have a clue? I don't think so. That is why I am blogging this series of interviews - to prepare as many people as possible with the subject matter.

Royal Heir

UFO Disclosure/Contact, Part 4 - Jesse Marcel, Jr

Continuing information from a recent seminar, "Official Disclosure: Prepare For Contact," featuring top researchers, ex-government agents, world-famous field investigators, physicists and theologians. The post contains info directly from the featured speaker. Any comments by me will be in brackets [].

Col Jesse Marcel, Jr. says that a craft was recovered at Roswell. His father, Jesse Marcel, Sr. was the lead military investigator into the crash in 1947. Jesse, Jr. is the only man still alive who actually handled the debris from 1947. A rancher had discovered the debris and called the sheriff, who called Colonel Blanchard, the Base Commander, who sent his father to check it out.

After going to the site, Jesse's father brought some of the metallic debris home to show the family. It had writing on it which was similar to geometric symbols and looked like it was meant to be read or interpreted. Colonel Blanchard authorized a press release saying the AF had captured a flying disk, and it was published in a few papers. A few hours later the press release was retracted on orders above Blanchard, from Fort Worth.

Jesse, Jr. said the pictures which were taken of the debris, which he viewed later, were not of the same material his father had actually found; it was evidently disinformation. His father then sat him and his brothers down and said it could never be talked about again - ever - it never happened.

Jesse Marcel, Sr., his father, was an Intelligence Officer on faculty of Air Force Intel School at Pittsburgh, PA., and was highly qualified for just such an evaluation. Jesse, Jr. worked in Iraq as a doctor for the 189th Helicopter Division and was discharged in 2005.

"Roswell Legacy" is Jesse Marcel, Jr.'s new book's title. He wrote the book because he wanted to establish his dad's credibility. After his father died the government started attacking his father's story through disinformation, and Jesse, Jr. wanted to vindicate him.

Q& A Session (partial):

Q: Did you ever see the same material again?
A: No. Although I have looked at various types of foil similar to the Mylar which was said to be from the crafts, they were close to what I saw, but not exactly the same. The Government's story kept changing over the years (as people died, etc.). They went from weather balloon story to a top secret balloon type. The problem with that is, while the balloon was different, the material was the same as a regular weather balloon, unlike the craft debris.

Q: Were the 'aliens' 6' tall dummies, as some say?
A: No...they were small, according to a friend of mine who saw them. The girlfriend (nurse) of the guy who saw them said they were short, large eyes, very small noses - typical to greys...in fact, he heard them order some small caskets for them. [Rumors: a friend of a friend...]

Q: There is more recent credible testimony from widow of General Cordis; she has been speaking out after her husband died. After many years of refusing to tell her about Roswell, when he was approaching death he finally told her the reason he had refused to tell her about it was that he didn't want to challenge her worldview, as it had changed his. It is interesting that all these people had solid reputations until they began to talk. They had nothing to gain by lying about it. Most realized that disinformation agents would damage their reputations, but as they got older they decided to talk, and many have come forward. Who was the farmer that found the debris?
A: He and his son had a ranch out there, and that's where it landed. Bill Brazile (sp?) put some of it in his saddlebag, got drunk and started showing it around. Before long some well-dressed men came and took it from him. Next thing you know he was driving a new pickup and started a business with money everyone knew he didn't have.

Q: Have you ever seen the movie, Roswell? Did they portray you accurately?
A: Generally...not all the details.

Q: Your trip to Washington?
A: I went to a UFO meeting in D.C., and before going, I got a call from some government or military person in the Capitol who wanted to talk to me when I got there (I hadn't told anyone I was going). I got to the hotel and there was a phone message waiting. So I called the man and went to meet him at the Capitol building. He took me down into the bowels of the Capitol, and said he wanted to talk in a secure area. If was all a little furtive. We went down into a beautiful room, and on the table was a book on Roswell; the man pointed to it and said, "This isn't fiction." So I asked the guy 'when are you going to tell the public what happened there?' He answered, "If it was up to me I'd have told them yesterday, but it's not up to me. Another group has charge of this. He said that the group was spending money illegally, that Congress knew nothing about, and that it was his job to investigate this 'black group' spending this money to keep it secret. This was the first time I had had actually heard someone in the government say Roswell was the real thing. The guy also asked me if I'd gotten any threatening phone calls, which I had not. He told me to 'call me and I'll investigate it if you do.' I never got any.

Q: Interesting how you've got these secret government departments working against each other, black ops, black officers. I think I know who you're talking about, but I won't say his name. He was an aide to a senator. It's amazing you got involved in that, and had someone tell you all this. One side wants disclosure and the other wants to put a lid on it.
A: Yeah, here you have a black ops group, with unlimited funding, that Congress knows nothing about, controlled by a black military that is unknown to the government because of its higher classification.

Q: Did the debris frighten your family when your dad brought it in?
A: No ... it was just interesting. He was so excited about dealing with a flying saucer. I was in the right place at the right time to see something hardly anyone has ever seen.

Q: Do you think there will be an official disclosure, and do you favor it?
A: I'd love to see it released...to say I told you so...to confirm my experience.

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The main reason I posted this, the most 'far out' of the interviews, is because I believe Jesse Marcel, Jr. is entirely sincere and honest in telling his story, which everyone has probably viewed on cable tv. However, I believe he has been misled every step of the way. The story serves to show the incredible range of information (or disinformation) that came out of Roswell.

Many people have tried to research, sort through and come up with the truth of what happened at Roswell. No one has been completely successful, and the well-hidden events remain murky to the public.

I believe the story regarding the craft itself was a Trojan Horse cover story created by the U.S. Military. Something of great significance, however, did happen there. This was when the Military began to seriously engage the entities and began working with them (calling them 'aliens'). Since 1947 it is well established that superior technology from these entities was given to the U.S. Military in exchange for certain privileges and access to human beings. A treaty was made. There is ample evidence of this.

Royal Heir

UFO Disclosure/Contact, Part 3 - Nick Pope

Continuing information from a recent seminar, "Official Disclosure: Prepare For Contact," featuring top researchers, ex-government agents, world-famous field investigators, physicists and theologians. The post contains info directly from the featured speaker. Any comments by me will be in brackets [].

Nick Pope is the former Project Director for the British Classified UFO Project, in the Ministry of Defense. He was initially skeptical until hearing testimony in the 2-day discussion held by the Royal Society, the 350-year old organization considered the most prodigious science organization in the world. It is inconceivable that even 2-3 years ago this organization would have sponsored such a discussion.

Nick Pope said that there is a compelling body of evidence of consistent and unexplained UFO subject matter, such as the Rendlesham Forest incident in 1980, in which he was involved in a cold case review in 1994, for the British Ministry of Defense.

The famed Rendlesham Forest incident, which has been shown many times on cable TV, was a series of encounters at two USA air force bases in England, and occurred over a period of three nights. The first night involved strange lights, in which Air Force personnel went out to investigate what they thought was a crash of some sort. They found a landed metallic craft, touched it, noted strange symbols on it which were similar to Egyptian hieroglyphics. The Defense Intelligence staff assessed radiation readings at the site which were significantly high. When they went back to the clearing they found three indentations in the shape of a triangle. Radiation levels peaked in the three holes.

On the second night, at a Christmas base party, the door burst open, and man rushed in, saying, "It's back!" They went out again, thinking to debunk it, but Pope saw it himself, along with high ranking senior military officer, Charles Holt.

Asked whether any of the people there ever experience any mental or physical issues after the incident, Pope said, "Yes. It was a very disturbing aspect of this. You can look at many of the
people involved in this (names several); all have been affected, from post-traumatic stress to being 'messed with' in some way. One was John Burrows (sp?), who has been attempting to organize a reunion and is lobbying for congressional hearings on it. The personnel involved were threatened by military, some have physical problems such as radiation exposure, and some have psychological consequences. They say that the chain of command let them down. Some have been on Larry King. You can see someone who has been through a bad situation, in their eyes and voices. They are beginning to find their voices. Some are curious; some are angry. All want an explanation of what happened to them and why were they put through the consequences.

Q: Was there something else to this - religious, metaphysical, supernatural, other dimensional? Might it have also challenged their previous worldview? Because that has happened to people after Roswell and other events. They said they would never look at the world the same again.

A: Most definitely they believe they experienced something extra-terrestrial, intra-dimensional, or even inter-temporal (from the future). These perceptions come up all the time, and it has changed their worldviews. They all believe they have encountered something other-worldly. Whether they are right or wrong, it has had a 'transformative' effect on them.

Q: Have there been other issues involving abductions, crop circles, and other related issues connected to cases you investigated?

A: Yes. All these things tend to be connected to each other. You can't run a UFO project without getting drawn in to these other mysteries. I've run into animal mutilations, abductions, crop circles, remote viewing, ghosts, all sorts of things.

Q: Did any stand out?

A: GHOSTS were interesting. We got a lot of ghost reports, even in the Ministry of Defense Headquarters. We had ghost reports from guards, MPs, etc., and there were parts of the building where these people didn't want to go. The same thing was happening at the Department of State Headquarters, and you got used to it going on all the time. Very interesting.

Q: You also wrote two UFO books and two novels, and your website is www,nickpope.net. You were a total disbeliever before becoming involved in the UFO Project?

A: Yes. On my website I have articles, images, etc., and everything is free for the public to use any way they like. I want the information to get out there. Feel free to put articles on your own website, gratis.

Q: This brings me back to the released files. There were not just disclosure groups, but pilots, professional people, military. Even Winston Churchill wrote a memo in 1952. What can you tell us about that part of the released files that relates to scientists, gov't officials, air traffic controllers?

A: In this latest batch released, there were over 6,000 pages of documents, just in the last batch ... pilot reports, air traffic controllers, scientists, politicians, these reports all stand out. One, in Jan 1995, was a Boeing 737 approaching Manchester airport at about 9000 '. Suddenly a craft flashes across the front of the aircraft. The 1st officer is about to take evasive action so violent that it could have brought down the airplane, had he taken it. The only thing that stopped him was that this thing had gone before he could even react. Both he pilot and the first officer submitted an official report to the Ministry of Defense, and the conclusion was that no explanation was ever found for this, and they commended both for coming forward and reporting it. They said that the risk to the aircraft was inaccessible...just genuinely unknown. They didn't know what to make of it.

Another case from 1999 involving a senior air controller. In Scotland, he tracked a UFO, on radar, that was about a mile wide, travelling at over 1,000 mph. He assessed this as a real UFO. No explanation was ever found. There are numerous cases like this, one involving a person driving a car, which was enveloped by a strange cube of light; his radio cut out, his cell phone cut out, and afterward he became quite ill and went to a doctor. He had a skin rash, vomiting. There was strange debris dust found on the car. The AF took this away...we don't know where the sample is now and don't know the conclusion of the investigation. Something is going on.

Q: On the 1997 Boeing 737 a/c, was there any other kind of support, like radar?

A: No. And that was quite disturbing. You would expect something like that to have been tracked on radar. On the other hand, stealth tech has been around for many years. Lack of radar doesn't mean something wasn't there; radar will soon be antiquated anyway.

Q: What are your views about the MOD (Ministry of Defense)? Did your views change from
the time you began working for the MOD until you left the Department?

A: Yes. Of course, it's important for me to say that I served for 21 years in the MOD, so my time on the UFO Project - 3 yrs - was only one of a number of different jobs I did. I've been involved in security jobs, finance jobs, case work jobs, etc. In relation to UFOs, certainly I was pretty skeptical about the whole thing at the beginning. My exposure to the archive of UFO files, and my day-to-day investigation of the newly reported cases made me change my mind from that of a skeptic to, "Well, I don't know what the answer is to all this, but it's NOT just airplane lights and weather balloons."

Q: What's the MOD's policy on UFOs today, Nick? It seems as if they've closed the department down. They've publicly released all these files and are letting the public make up it's own mind. Is it that they've concluded even if there is something going on they can't do anything about it, or what is the position?

A: I think, frankly, they're in a state of confusion on this. On 12/1/2009 they formally terminated the UFO Project. But, really, all that meant is that they stopped taking reports from the public. Because, I know, as somebody who served 21 years there, you can absolutely take it to the bank that if a military pilot reports something, if a radar operator tracks an unidentified target on the screen, that will be looked at. It's just that it will happen outside of a formally constituted UFO project. So, MOD publicly is out of the game, but privately of course they'll still look at the really interesting stuff.

Q: In your opinion has something new, maybe beyond even government purview, taken its place? [We know that there is a joint military/entity group which is classified far above presidents or any other classified project...refer to Chuck Missler interview, also. It would be highly unlikely that Nick Pope would have any idea about these super-classified programs.]

A: No, I don't think so. I think somebody's going to be looking at this, but on an ad hoc basis. Actually, your question poses a very interesting thought - that one way (and I'm not saying this is happening, but, intellectually, I know that it can be done ) -one way to take something outside the sight of congressional scrutiny, outside of FOIA, is to put it in the private sector. And certainly with some of the most highly classified studies that MOD has ever done on UFOs, on things like remote viewing, they'd be done through defense contractors. So, maybe that's where people should be looking. [That's the first place I'd look. Of course, I'd find nothing.]

Q: In your heart of hearts, what do you believe? Are there intelligent life forms, ETs, outside of earth's reality?

A: Life out there - almost definitely. Are we being visited? I don't know. I can't rule it out.

Q: We know that the Vatican astronomers are studying deep space. Monsignor Balducci said some years ago that not only were we being visited, but the highest levels of the Vatican were even aware of it, and even in contact with these things.

A: I met Balducci on several occasions. He seems a truly honorable and spiritual man, and yeah...maybe he was right. It's just that I have no way of ... obviously... accessing the world that he moves in [lots of stuttering and stammering here, for the first time in the interview; his entire demeanor changed...why? He doesn't want to say what he really thinks about this].

Q: Now if it's possible that we in fact are in contact with some intelligence, as he insinuated, is official disclosure soon? Any gut feeling?

A: I don't know. It may not be our decision, of course. All of this essentially is going to be 'event-led' and it may not be our call.

Q: Well, it definitely won't be our call if some mother ship appears over the British MOD tomorrow night; it's going to be out of our hands. You've written extensively about your work with the MOD. Is talking about this not a problem, since you signed the Official Secrets Act?

A: I signed the OSA, but what that basically means is that I can...my position (hem/haw) basically is like when you catch a retired general talking about how the war's going in Afghanistan ...they can talk about their experiences, their opinions, but they can't talk about tactics and such. [ Changed demeanor again, even more than last time. He is not telling what he knows or suspects..]

End of Interview with Nick Pope.

Royal Heir

UFOs: Disclosure of the Truth?

In January of this year The Royal Society, the national academy of science of the United Kingdom invited people from NASA, the European Space Agency and the UN Office for Outer Space Affairs to participate in discussion entitled, "The Detection Of Extraterrestrial Life and the Consequences for Science and Society." The President of the Royal Society, Lord Martin Rees, announced that aliens may be "staring us in the face" in a form humans are unable to recognize.

A number of other speakers said that we now have overwhelming evidence - proof - of alien life. Simon Conway Morris, professor of evolutionary paleobiology at Cambridge University, expressed concern about these ETs, saying that they "might not only resemble us, but may have our foibles such as greed, violence and a tendency to exploit others' resources. Other speakers also said that their intentions might be deceptive. Ya think?

Vatican astronomer, Guy Consolmagno said that we are facing a discovery of extraterrestrial intelligence soon. One Monsignor Corrado Balducci said a while back that aliens are already interacting with earth and that Vatican's leaders are aware of it. At the forum there was much discussion among Christians, Jews and Muslims which focused on the potential impact such an event might have on their religious beliefs and on the beliefs of their worshippers.

Some had concerns that it could throw the human race into a spiritual identity crisis that could leave some questioning their faith in God. However, I don't think this is likely for the majority of Christians, certainly, because most of those who call themselves Christians have no clue what Christian doctrine teaches. They can - and often do - easily incorporate other religions into their beliefs with no problem at all - and come up with a sort of amalgamated 'custom' religion.

Of course, once again, those who were fundamentalist evangelicals stood alone in their views. Most Catholics, Jews and Muslims would have no trouble 'altering' their views on faith should unexpected and bizarre information emerge from ETs which might conflict with the orthodox views of their faiths. The conservative evangelicals were of the opinion that these entities are demonic in nature and expect that they play a role in a future great deception that gives rise to the appearance of Antichrist. "I have become thoroughly convinced that UFOs are real," popular Christian writer Hal Lindsey wrote. "I believe these beings are not only extraterrestrial but supernatural in origin. To be blunt, I think they are demons."

Professor of psychology Elizabeth L. Hillstrom in her book, Testing the Spirits, says that a growing number of scholars support the conclusion that UFOnauts are synonymous with historical demons.

Perhaps the most widely respected UFO researcher, Jacques Vallee, has written a number of books over a period of years on the subject, and they are generally considered to be classics in the field. Vallee (who is not a Christian, as I recall) cautiously sketches out his belief that some agency with enormous power of various kinds is and has been "staging" thousands of technologically complex, essentially 'fake' UFO sightings around the world with the pointed intention of manipulating and guiding civilization, and man himself, in a very specific direction.

Vallee says the apparent goal of this agency is to encourage mankind, via a belief in the impending arrival from the heavens of the benevolent 'space brothers,' to become anti-scientific, irrational, infantile, dependent, and endlessly hopeful that the essential problems of man---including his mortality---can be permanently overcome through the multi-prismed salvation the [false] "space brothers" offer. Other goals include 'the reversal of the scale of values,' "leading to a new understanding of social good, the abolition of borders, and the death of nationalism," 'goals' which are certainly becoming the reality in today's American. Which raises the question: who or what has such enormous, organizational God-like power?

All of the major researchers including Pierre Guerin, a UFO researcher and a scientist associated with the French National Council for Scientific Research; and veteran researcher John Keel; and many others seem to all agree that the UFO manifestations seem to be, by and large, merely minor variations of the age-old demonological phenomenon.

Having studied this phenomena for over 35 years I agree that these are hyper-dimensional manifestations rather than inter-galactic or extra-terrestrial. In other words, they are spiritual entities who inhabit dimensions right next to us, but to which we of the flesh are blind and 'see through a glass darkly.' These entities have the ability to manifest in our three-dimensional world when they so choose.

I just ran across a 20-hour seminar called "Official Disclosure: Prepare For Contact." It includes top researchers, including ex-government agents with above top-secret security clearance, world-famous field investigators, physicists and theologians, most of whose work I am familiar with. I am listening to this seminar and decided it would be the easiest way to write about UFOs on my blog, since the seminar material is already organized and will save me a lot of work. Not-to-mention that it is the latest, hot off the press material.

Stay tuned for my reportage of this seminar.

Royal Heir