UFOs Have Been Identified ... Conclusively

....at least as far as I'm concerned (and many others).

How credible is it to think that literally thousands of genuine extraterrestials would fly millions of light years simply to teach new age philosophy, deny Christianity and support the occult? And why would the entities actually possess and inhabit people just like demons do if they were really advanced extraterrestrials? (John Walden)

UFO behavior is occultish and magic-like - spiritual rather than scientific. Thousands of books have been written on the subject of demonology, which is the ancient and scholarly study of monsters and demons. The manifestations and occurrences described in this literature are identical to the UFO phenomena we see today. Victims of demonic possession suffer from the same medical and emotional symptoms as the UFO contactee.  (John Keel, The Mothman Prophecies)

The same individuals that run UFO's, run haunted houses. 

In 1969, the US Printing Office issued a 400-page publication, "UFO's and Related Subjects, An Annotated Bibliography," by Lynn E. Catoe, the Senior Bibliographer for the Library of Congress. She summarizes her findings in the preface of the Bibliography: 

"A large part of the available UFO literature is closely linked with mysticism and the metaphysical. It deals with subjects like mental telepathy, automatic writing and invisible entities as well as phenomenon like poltergeist manifestations and possession. Many of the UFO reports now being published in the popular press recount alleged incidents that are strikingly similar to demonic possession and psychic phenomenon that have long been known to theologians and parapsychologists." 

The document referred to above was compiled for the USAF and it is now in the Library of Congress.

Dr. Jacques Vallee has addressed the UN  on UFOs and was the model for one of the characters in the Stephen Spielberg film Close Encounters of the Third Kind. He is the author of eight books on UFOs.and has been widely recognized as the premier investigative scientist in the realm of UFO research. 

In his book, Messengers of Deception, Vallee says, "An impressive parallel can be made between UFO occupants and the popular conception of demons. In his book, Confrontations, he writes: "The medical examinations to which abductions are said to be subjected, often accompanied by sadistic sexual manipulation, is reminiscent of medical tales of encounters with demons." 

He also made this statement: "I believe that when we speak of UFO sightings as instances of space visitations, we are looking at the phenomenon at the wrong level. We are not dealing with successive waves of visitations from space. We are dealing with a control system." And he states, "UFO's are the means through which man's concepts are being rearranged. They are engaging in a worldwide enterprise of subliminal seduction."

Jacques Vallee was an agnostic at the time he wrote Confrontations, according to Dave Hunt, Christian author of The Archon Conspiracy, who add that it is  "Interesting that he comes to basically the same conclusions I do....and he said about UFO's: 'they're real, but they're not physical. They're messengers of deception' - and this is based on his research of 25 years - 'they seem to be psychologically preparing, setting us up for some ultimate delusion that is too horrible even to imagine as yet.' I would agree with that."

Dr. I.D.E. Thomas is one of a long line of Welsh preachers. He is currently the Senior Pastor of the First Baptist Church of Maywood, California, and has authored several books which have enjoyed wide circulation. In his book, The Omega Conspiracy, Dr. Thomas explains the phenomena of UFO's and offers an explanation that could identify the beings that operate them. As incredible as his explanation may sound let us regard the ancient saying of Heracletus, who 500 years before Christ, said: "Because it is sometimes so unbelievable, the truth escapes becoming known."  Dr. Thomas says: 

    "The answer to all this, and the clue to this cosmic riddle, may be found in the ancient Book of Genesis. Back there in Chapter 6 we are told of a very amazing and bizarre event: 'The sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.' ...and sired children from them. 

     "For the past 1500 years most scholars, including evangelical scholars, have interpreted 'the sons of God' as the good sons of Seth, and the 'daughters of men' as the wicked daughters of Cain. They've adopted that interpretation because the other one is so bizarre and outlandish. The ancient interpretation  - and in my opinion the correct one - is that 'the sons of God' were demonic beings or fallen angels, and that they came down to earth, they lusted after the daughters of men, they married them and produced this amazing progeny - this hybrid progeny - the Nephilim. The very word 'Nephilim' does not mean "giants." The root it comes from means 'fallen ones'.

     "The early Christian fathers in the first four centuries - men like Iraneous, Tertullian, Ambrose - for 400 years they knew no other interpretation except that the 'sons of God' were angelic beings.  Josephus, the cosmopolitan Jewish historian, says the same thing. We read in the Book of Job that when God laid the foundations of the earth the 'sons of God' shouted for joy. Obviously, the sons of God could not be human beings. Adam had not yet been created. 

     "If this were the case of just mixed marriages between good men and wicked women, it is surprising that God should have issued the judgment that He did [and that their unions produced GIANTSnot perfect. What it means is like a lamb for the Passover - the Paschal sacrifice. That lamb had to be without blemish - physically pure, without blemish. So it seems was the case of Noah - the only family that remained uncontaminated from these strange beings that had appeared from space; the only line that was pure and clean from God's standpoint, to start a new world and a new civilization. 

     "Jesus said 'as in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.' Of all the patriarchs and prophets of the OT, the key to prophecy - above all others - is Noah. Something happened in the days of Noah that was a distinctive characteristic of Noah's time, that didn't happen before or after. Wars and famines and pestilence and natural disasters have always happened. But something happened in the days of Noah; and the most sinister and bizarre of all the things that happened was this intermarriage between the angelic race and the human race.  

     "And, of course the mastermind behind it all was another angel, a fallen angel, Lucifer. We believe that as they came in those days, we may very well be on the edge of another invasion from outer space, that Satan will once again make another attempt - the final assault on the human race - in order to wean men and women away from the worship of God. He has tried before. He will inevitably try again by seducing the human race, by sending these so-called entities from space, demonic beings. He will try to get people all over the world to worship him, and to deprive God of the worship that is due to Him. 

     "Fortunately, we know what the end result is going to be, but his final Omega assault to come at the end of time may trigger the coming back of Jesus Christ to rescue His own. Satan has failed before, and the Bible predicts he will fail again. We are told quite emphatically in God's Word that the kingdom of this world shall become the Kingdom of our God and of His Christ. Satan will make the attempt, but greater is He that is our God than he that is in the world."

I took all of the above notes from an excellent 7-set video series (each under 10 minutes) which I highly recommend. If you have somewhat of an understanding of the history of the UFOs and are under time pressures, start with Video #5. The last video is especially inspirational. They may be found at another of my favorites, Douglas Hamp's site HERE. 

CASE CLOSED

"Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light." II Corinthians 11:14.

"The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every kind of evil that deceives those who are perishing." II Thessalonians 2:9

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 ROYAL HEIR

 

Feel free to email me at: creyner@yahoo.com

UFO Disclosure/Contact, Part 15 - Ken Klein

C. KEN KLEIN, author, theologian and film maker; he was also a college football player and refugee of the NFL, Ken boasts that he is the last Jewish defensive back to play in the NFL. He was raised in North Hollywood around many TV and film stars in the 1950s, but his interest in film production and writing came later in his life, when he stumbled onto the writings of the ancient prophets. Over the last two decades Ken has appeared on hundreds of radio and television shows and is on the A-list for many talk show producers. He has a quick wit, deep ideas, concepts that provoke a listening audience to pay attention!


Q: We want to ask about your latest book, "America: Globalism and the False Prophet," and the film project you are currently working on. I'd like to start by asking you about the Royal Society meeting just held and asking the question: Are we alone in the universe? I have over a dozen newspaper headlines coming out of those meetings just in the past ten days. What's going on?


A: Well, this is a huge question. One of the things I discovered through a study of the Great Pyramid was that there was a time in the history of the earth, around 3100 B.C., called the Age of the Gods. And as you study the amazing fine points, you discover that there's no way that the people involved in the architectural design of the Great Pyramid could have had the intelligence at that time to build into the pyramid all of the design features and the difficulties of those designs that required amazing engineering prowess.



As you study this, and look at some of the ancient historians, namely let's take Josephus. He talked about people coming from the lineage of Seth that would build a monument, and it's even in Isaiah 19, built "unto the Lord of hosts." Hosts are angels, and what most people don't understand, especially the Christian world, is that God doesn't directly visit the earth. He visits the earth through proxy - his representatives of himself. That's why we find in Exodus that the law, the 10 Commandments, was given to Moses. And the word used there is 'elohim' which is rendered 'gods.' Small 'g'. So God brought the commandments to Moses through 'gods,' or angels.



In the NT it says, 'and the law was given by angels,' and in the Egyptian era it seems that there was more access. There were messengers that came and gave to Enoch, who was from the lineage of Seth, the architectural knowledge which was used to build the Great Pyramid. So, the film I produced a while ago explains all these things in great detail. There was so much science and mathematics in the Great Pyramid that had to come from some kind of celestial intervention by God, or angels, to the earth. And we know - we see in the life of Elijah, he was taken up in a fiery chariot. Well, so was Enoch taken up; the Bible says he was a righteous man, so Enoch never died. And we also know in I Chronicles 28:18 when David was speaking to his son, Solomon, when Solomon was given the charge to build the temple, that he was to make a copy or model of the chariot of the cherubim. So we know at least one angel, which were the cherubim or the covering angels.


Q: A couple of weeks ago the Hubble Telescope observed a mysterious X-shaped 'something.' Scientists don't believe that it's a comet, but it is moving at something like 90 million miles from the earth. It's got what looks like streamers or something behind it. One of the contributing writers for Discovery News, Ray Villard, said, "I've seen thousands of astronomical images over my career, but this is one of the few absolute jaw droppers. A flying X pattern with trailing streamers. Whatever it is, nothing like it has ever before been seen in the heavens." Is this possibly one of your angelic crafts? And, by the way, even some people who do believe that UFOs have something to do with angels and demons - there are still two camps. There are those who think that the UFO itself IS the angel or the demon. And then you've got people who have a 'nuts and bolts' kind of approach to an advanced science, like Stanton Friedman, believes that whatever crash landed at Roswell was a literal nuts and bolts kind of transport device. Let's keep this in angelology, but if these are angels, is what we're seeing the angel itself, or are the angels inside that thing?


A: I think they're both. It's not an either/or proposition. These things can morph into all kinds of forms [Exactly]. We're talking about intelligences - that were once under the lordship of the Morning Star and I think that's an interesting concept, because we know that Jesus is called the Morning Star; we also know that Lucifer, he's the Morning Star. So there's some connection between Jesus and Lucifer that had to do with the morning star. And, basically, what I believe that was, was an 'office' over a certain group of creator angels, that we don't understand yet.



There were three angel groups that came into our galaxy: 1) the Cherubim, which were the covering angels, which is an interesting concept because why would you need to 'cover' something - like other angels, or anything, for that matter - unless there were many wars in heaven, and we only experience the war that is mentioned in Rev. 12, that there was 'war in the heavens.' And we find information about this war that took place, but it was the covering angels that protected this group of creator angels. In other words, they 'had their backs,' because there were many attacks going on. 2) Seraphim angels, who basically are the scribes, or the people that record the histories of the universe, and galaxies. And that's why it says 'and all the books were opened up,' because it's the Seraphim that are over those books. 3) The third group is called the Ophan, and they're mentioned in Ezekiel 1:10. Plural is Ophanim, and they are the creator angels. Those are the angels that were under the Morning Star office, that were swept away when Lucifer was granted permission to move from his Cherubim office - to the Ophanim office. So, they had great intelligence, and they were creators. They were involved with the creation code, and Lucifer stole these codes. So that caused a war, which is a long story.



But, remember, these were creators, and they have all kinds of abilities. And they were swept away with Lucifer. Most people think those are the demons - and they're not demons. There's a difference between demons and fallen angels. Fallen angels have bodies. One of the reasons that Lucifer and the fallen creator angels have bodies is because they were sentenced by the seven spirits of God in Rev. 1:2, which was a holy commission to take on human form. They refused. So, they have physical bodies, too.



But they also can transform to light. We know that from the Bible, that says these fallen beings come as angels of light. They can also transform to holographic images and to physical bodies. Now, the demons actually are entities that want to possess human bodies. The fallen angels do not; they refused to do that. But the demons want that. Those demons are the spirits of the Ophanim and the Nephilim, and we find in Genesis and throughout the OT these giants - those were killed in the flood because the whole gene pool was polluted. But, anyway, the spirits of those beings seek to possess anything they can - anything that has a warm body - human, animal. You see Jesus throwing demons out of the demoniac and into pigs. Another interesting story, but there's a difference between the fallen angels that have form, and the demons which come from these strange concoctions of genetic brew that was polluted, and want to possess bodies. So, we need to be clear in our thinking about these things.


Q: You also have a new film series right now called "Angel Wars?"


A: Yes, I do, and "Angel Wars and the Fallen Creator" - that just came out in the last week. We just did a show with George Noory, and I can't tell you how many people wanted to get this. And what's interesting about this teaching in which I talk about the angel wars - it deals more in depth with what really happened amongst the angels. Because it's in the Bible, but we're so myopic and so locked into linear thought that we can't really see it. It's kind of like ... there are pieces of the puzzle all over the place in the Bible. You've got to have the objectivity to see it, and then you can see how the pieces come together.



But what's interesting is that not long after that came out, this fellow that had heard me about a year ago had been trying to reach me, because he was experiencing strange anomalies in New Orleans [the obvious place for such things!] He had been laid off from his job; he was a guy that worked in oil companies and did soundings of the ocean floor for drilling purposes, and so at night he would go out on his job, and he started seeing things. He started writing to me, and I didn't listen because I get hundreds of letters. And, finally, I started looking at some of the stuff he had shot, and it was really bad stuff in terms of quality of photography, but I was able to see enough that blew my mind. So, I jumped on an airplane and went down there, and we started seeing manifestations of these fallen angels - we caught them on camera.



In fact, it's such a powerful thing to prove that there's demonic realms and a fallen angel realm by capturing these things that we're going to do a documentary on it down in New Orleans. We know where they're manifesting, so we're taking a camera crew, and we're going to be interviewing a lot of people down there in New Orleans. I'm getting letters from people all over New Orleans, who have been seeing these same things since the Katrina Hurricane. So, it's really strange, amazing, and it's not that I'm fascinated with it, but it's just that proving a realm of darkness makes it a lot easier for people to come to grips that we do live in a spiritual world. And the only way to be safe is to know Christ. To come to Jesus, so that you have the ability to discern and discriminate between what is light and what is darkness. I wouldn't suggest anybody do this unless they're pretty grounded in the scripture [Critically important point. The demonic is not something people should mess with, unless they have a lot of knowledge and discernment in this area].


Q: Also want to get your input on recent Vatican astronomer comments that sound eerily similar in some ways to what you're saying, that ETs are already here and interacting with people, and that some of the highest people in the Vatican know of it. What do you think that the Vatican has been working so diligently in the last few years to position itself against this issue in this way? What is your gut feeling about it?


A: That's a tough question to answer because I'm not privy to what they talk about there in the Vatican. I could only speculate on it, so when you say 'gut feeling,' I think that's an interesting .. you know, our spirits, the reality of ourselves in our solar plexus, is our instinct or our spirit, so you never know if you're being objective in doing something like that, or whether you're in a mind confusion about it. I honestly don't know how to objectify the answer to that question, except to say that we do live in a spiritual world.


Q: Well, let's move from astro biology for a moment to the related field of astro archeology. You know, in recent years, what appears most famously are these structures on Mars. The Cydonia Face, for instance, was real hot for a while. A few years ago, we interviewed Dr. Thomas Flandern (sp?) as well as others in this field, people who had a special emphasis in Celestial Mechanics and that sort of thing, from Yale, etc. And I remember when I asked Dr. Flandern what were the chances of those structures in the Cydonia Region of Mars - the face, the five-sided pyramid, what they called the 'city complex,' all that - arising by chance or natural geological formation, would be. I didn't realize that they had actually done a statistical or mathematical probability on this; and he said that the scientists that he was working with had concluded that the combined odds against what was there in the Cydonia Region arising by chance were 1,000 billion billion to one - so that in their minds there was no doubt that those structures were artificial. Now, there have been new high resolution images that came from NASA since then, and they kind of pooh-poohed that idea. Other people say that it's all just a conspiracy, that NASA's covering it up. And the bigger question I think, is do you think there is a chance that extra-terrestrial archaeological evidence will ever be found, providing physical remains of other intelligences having once been among the planets?


A: Wow. You know, I don't know the answer to that. I mean, how can we know the answer to that? [He's obviously not a scientist or he'd have an answer - whether he had one or not.] I tend to wonder what would be the motivation to create anything that would be visible from the earth, from - let's just say - the realm of fallen angels? The only thing I can think of is that this whole thing about who we are, on this planet ... I mean we run around every day trying to survive. Half the world is hungry, and most of life has been taken up with finding food, and getting from one day to the next. And we hardly have time to think about "Who am I?" "Why am I here?" "How did I get here, and where am I going?" And all I can tell you is that the forces of darkness are trying to keep us from knowing the answers to those questions [...yes...].


Q: Well, but if a discovery like that was made, would it support some of what you're saying? In other words, that there was a past celestial war? Lucifer was cast down from out of the heavens. If something like that was found, could theologians come forward and say this actually substantiates the biblical story that there was an angel war, and these are remnants of maybe at one time was part of their civilization?


A: Well, that's what I was trying to get at. The only thing I can come to grips with in a speculative answer to that - because I don't have the objective answer - I would say that the only reason that they would do something like that would be to deceive us. To keep us from understanding who we are, and what God's trying to do with us, in overcoming. Because life in the universe ... and on earth ... is all about overcoming. [Wow. This guy keeps his eye on the ball and isn't distracted ... amazing. I think he's hit the nail right on the head here, at least theologically, which is where we should always be coming from.] It's all about overcoming our physical self. So anything that the fallen angels can do to swerve us from coming to that recognition, is plausible to me [not only plausible, but probable]. So if there were remains found, the only thing I could imagine for why it would be done was to get humans to look at it and think about extra-terrestrial life in a way that is contrary to the way God wants us to understand it. [ Bingo.] And, Lucifer ... remember, is a powerful archangel. We have no understanding, or very little understanding of what that means and how powerful a creative talent he has, to do what he does to swerve us from the truth. So, even though it may be true, I would think it would be a deception that would keep us from understanding who we are. [That's the most accurate answer I've ever heard to this question. I agree totally. Everyone else ... including the Vatican, and the scientists, get off track into this whole area of physical ETs and UFOs ... just as Satan LOVES for us to do. It is all a distraction from the spiritual aspect and what God wants us to be doing.]


Q: We're going to run out of time here, Ken. How can people learn more about you, your books, your films?



A: Oh, well they can just Google me .. Ken Klein, and I come up first there, and that will take you to my website. I have lots of stuff on my website, the films I've produced, my writings. We have an ancient translation of Genesis I that people should read. We have a free tour of the interior of the Great Pyramid, and we are putting out a 7-minute truncated version of what we're producing that will come out in the Fall, or the New Orleans anomaly. So, you can get a lot of stuff from my website.



His website is: http://www.kenkleinproductions.net/, and it's very interesting. Lots of free things, too.



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COMMENTS: This may have been my favorite interview so far in the series, because Ken Klein got to the bottom line of the entire subject, which is that all of this provocative stuff about ETs and UFOs, crafts, etc., is ALL designed to deceive and fascinate the human being ... and to detract us from the spiritual side of things, reading God's Word and seeking to know what the Lord wants us to be doing for Him. This UFO phenomenon is the greatest deception of all the many deceits we are faced with.



Mankind has not changed; we are still always seeking for signs and wonders, just as the people of the First Century did. Satan knows that - and is using it to deceive us in this age.

Royal Heir

UFO Disclosure/Contact, Part 13 - Dr. Chuck Missler

Continuing information from a recent seminar, "Official Disclosure: Prepare For Contact," featuring top researchers, ex-government agents, world-famous field investigators, physicists and theologians. The post contains info directly from the featured speaker. Questioner is Thomas Horn. Any comments by me will be in brackets []. Very light editing done on Q&As.

Dr. Chuck Missler, Hour 2 of 2.

Dr. Chuck Missler, of Koinonia House (khouse.org). His background is with the Office of Naval Intelligence, where he had top security clearances and was the former Branch Chief of the Board of Guided Missiles and CEO for four defense contractors. He and his wife now teach Bible seminars all over the world, and they have written a number of books. You could say that his areas of expertise are military classified operations and Bible knowledge. In his military career, he was also an expert in cryptography (codes).

Q: What similarities between the history of UFOlogy and demonology have you found in your research?

A: Clearly the whole area of UFOs is a very difficult area because there's so much nonsense and deliberate disinformation. But when you cut through all that you end up discovering that there are accounts that are undeniable. They appear on multiple radar simultaneously, and radars don't have hallucinations. They also leave physical evidence - and it is disturbing, because they apparently violate physical laws. That's why I believe the competent researchers have come to the conclusion that they're hyper-dimensional. Not intergalactic, though that's a common myth. And it's interesting that both Dr. Jacques Vallee and Dr. Hynek refer to them as demonic - strange language for them - and say that they are deceptive.

There's another aspect to this, the military security that surrounds this area. It's disturbing to discover that the UFO area enjoys a higher security classification than our most sensitive warheads. That's probably the biggest mystery about Roswell and all of that; why is that still classified to this day, after all these years? I do know from personal experience that it's the subject of very serious studies. There was something called the Delphi Project for a while in which there were 432 occasions of formation flying that was studied, demonstrating that they were piloted by an intelligence. And there are literally thousands of classified photos. So the area is real, but very difficult to get your arms around because of the security that surrounds it.

Q: In Ch 4 of your book, Alien Encounters, you actually discuss hyper dimensions, parallel universes, super string theory, and talk about Flatland. In fact, I particularly enjoyed the discussion about Mr. and Mrs. Flat and their 2-dimensional world, but it made a great deal of sense when you imagine how disturbing a 3-dimensional exhibition would be to them in their 2-dimensional existence with its physical laws, in the same way we might be impacted when confronted with 5-10 other dimensional representations moving in and out of our reality. Can you talk about that?

A: As you begin to deal with hyperspaces you begin to realize that having more dimensions offers some very unusual properties, and it's very difficult to talk to people about more than 3 dimensions. It requires really special mathematics training. We in the third dimension can be more intimate with the people in that 2-dimensional world than they can be with each other.

That's a provocative thing to consider. It startled me to discover that Salvador Dali had a mathematical sophistication that was shocking. In his painting, "Corpus Christi," he uses and unraveled a 4-dimensional cube into 3 dimensions as his motif for the cross of Christ - the only place I'm aware of that a hidden cube has actually found application. You find them discussed in advanced mathematical treatises, but I was startled to see that Dali was that sophisticated mathematically.

The whole idea of being hyper dimensional is probably (and even point to that, in a sense) from the scripture. Because we discover that Jesus, after his resurrection, had some very peculiar properties in his resurrection body. That night he appears to them. In fact, that afternoon he accompanies these two guys on the Emmaeus Road, which is one of the more colorful passages of scripture, because Jesus Christ is talking about himself in the third person; you quickly realize that Jesus has an interesting sense of humor [Yes!]. But they all re-gather that night in Jerusalem behind closed doors; they're frightened, confused. So they're in a room with four walls, floor and ceiling - 6 sides - and he shows up in the middle of that space. They think they've seen a ghost and he invites them to touch him, saying that a spirit doesn't have flesh and bone as he does. He is obviously very physical, but on the other hand he enjoys a dimensionality that allows him to enter and leave a 6-sided space, apparently without passing through any of the six sides. And that's the kind of thing that only a mathematician can deal with. In fact I've encountered some that argue from that, that he must enjoy at least 11 dimensions.

A careful study of the scripture encounters the whole concept of hyperspaces. In fact, in I John 3:2 we have a very unusual passage; most people don't realize the physics nature of it, where John says, "Beloved, it does not yet appear what we shall be, but we know that when he shall appear we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is." In other words, we won't behold a representation of him - a photo is a 2-dimension representation of a 3-dimensional person. A hologram starts to break that down, but the point is that whatever dimensional reality he enjoys, we apparently will also enjoy. Because we shall see him as he is. So that's where hyper-dimensionality emerges in a form in the scripture.

The whole idea of the Nephilim, etc. may or may not be hyper dimensional, but there are apparently parallels to the world before the flood as described in Gen 6, and the kind of experiences that we will encounter eschatologically. The UFOs apparently are hyper dimensional. One of the questions is: where are they when you're not seeing them? In other words, they're not observed as they do this 'intergalactic' travel. They just suddenly appear; they materialize and dematerialize quickly, so that also lends itself to the perception of it being hyper dimensional, not intergalactic. And there are lots of other reasons why.

Q: There seems to be uniformity to the UFO appearances which makes me believe there are moments in which the entire craft has moved from wherever it is when we can't see it...Bible scholar Gary Stearman who believes that angels materializing may be both good and bad, and he referred to a celestial transportation vehicle and how the angels move in clouds, wheels, chariots, cherubim. In fact he cited I Chron 28:18, which refers to the pattern of the chariot of the cherubim. Do you believe that there's anything to that?

A: Oh, sure. Absolutely, because there have been lots of studies, even by NASA type characters, about the Ezekiel wheels, etc. Most of what I've seen is fanciful and doesn't really follow the text, but those descriptions lend themselves to conjectures about that. No question...by the way, you've put your finger on a very key issue here. It startles me to realize how many so-called 'experts' in demonology fail to perceive the difference between fallen angels and demons. We use the word 'demon' collectively, for the whole area. But being specific, the angels apparently have the ability to materialize, and dematerialize at will, because all through the scripture we find them just showing up. And we presume that the fallen angels have the same skills and substance as the good angels. But, what's interesting is angels, we know from the scripture, can take people by the hand, can engage in combat; one angel slaughters 185,000 Assyrians after dinner one night. You don't mess with angels.

On the other hand, the demons - especially as we encounter them in the NT - appear to be powerless except to the extent that they can influence, and even embody, a person, where they seem to always do mischief, and are a different kind, if you will. That leads to a conjecture by many scholars that the demons are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim that drowned in the flood, or were killed or died for some other reason. And many people jump to the defensible conclusion that the whole idea of the Nephilim was Satan's way of 'increasing his horses.' We know from Rev 12 that 1/3 of the angels fell with Satan, so he's got a problem. He's got a 2 to 1 minority, and angels do not normally reproduce. But apparently through the antics of Gen 6 and others, they found a way to create a hybrid, and that hybrid apparently has utility to their agenda on the one hand; but on the other hand when it dies you've got a spirit now, that is a malevolent spirit of some kind ... that may be the demons. That is a conjecture, but does seem to be consistent with what we think we know from the scripture. That idea was very widely appreciated during the Dark Ages, because there's all kind of folk lore that accompanies - the incubus and all that business. But with staying with the scripture you can still build a case.

Q: Wasn't that the common position up until around the 5th Century, of what had happened with the Gen 6 story?

A: Yes, Africanus and others concocted the "Sethite" view, as a way of avoiding the discomfort and spookiness of what the text indicated, and this twisting of the scripture emerged. In fact there's about 12 different aspects of the scripture that shreds the Sethite view, but it doesn't matter. What's interesting about that view is that it's not only taught in seminaries, but it's the only view that's typically taught. We've encountered a number of senior executives in the Christian publishing trade who went to seminary, and when they encountered our book they got really angry - not at me - but angry when they realized that this view hadn't even been presented to them, what they felt should have been presented. What offended them was that the seminary environment doesn't even typically present the angel view of Genesis 6. They just present the Sethite view as if that is the rational accommodation of the text's message - which it isn't, by the way. The more you study that, the more you realize it does violence to what the text actually says.

Q: I'm living proof of that. My formal training was the Sethite view. And then over a long period of time, and just being honest about the scripture - and, by the way, even extra-biblical texts - none of them support the Sethite view. They all support this ancient story that this was an angelic experience. You mentioned the hologram; you have another book called Cosmic Codes, in which you talk about things like quantum teleportation, the universe as a hologram. Is that in any way related to this discussion of ET and hyperdimensions?

A: Oh, sure. Absolutely. Most people who write in that area have no background in cryptography, so that's one reason I think the book has done so well, because we have a tutorial in front, to really get into the manipulation of information. We discover the kinds of codes that we find in the Bible, and the manipulation we see in the DNA, are the same design. That's shocking enough. So it's a very provocative thing to realize that the frontier of every science today, whether it's microbiology or astrophysics, is really in the area of information - the information sciences. In microbiology the big issue isn't microbes in the traditional sense; it's really the coding - and we discover the DNA is a 3-out-of-4 error-correcting code. There's probably not one engineer in a thousand that knows how to design an error-correcting code. An error-detecting code, yes. The point is the sophistication of the information environment is staggering. So the Cosmic Codes does touch on the information side of this.

As far as quantum teleportation, most of those things in today's world are still pretty conjectural and they really depend a great deal on having some background, especially in particle physics. In fact, that's the other thing. Let's touch on that. One of the things that we all take for granted is this physical universe. We lay our hand on a desk, and it's firm, solid. It's kind of interesting if you take a look at the hydrogen atom. The ratio between the size of the nucleus and the size of the ostensible orbit of the electron is about 10 to the fifth power, which means if you were going to build a scale model of the hydrogen atom and use a golf ball as the nucleus, your electron would be three football fields away! It turns out that the 10 to the fifth ratio is just the linear difference. If you take the area of that you have to square it, so that would be 10-to-the-10th. If you want to deal with the volume you have to cube it, so if I say this desk is solid, and you said there's really nothing there ... you're more correct than I am, by the same ratio as one second has to 32,000 years. [I love this stuff. If I had my life to live over I might have gone into physics.] In other words, we suddenly realize that the universe that we're in, is actually an electrical simulation.

There was an article in the Scientific American in June 2005 about the constancy of constants. It turns out that some of the so-called constants of physics, scientists are now beginning to discover, may be changing. And that's got them alarmed because "that demonstrates that our physical reality is but a shadow of a larger reality." [We may see through a glass even more darkly than we imagined...]

Now just a few weeks ago in New Scientist, there's an interesting discovery.There's a project in Germany called the GEO600, and there's a huge contraption that they're trying to measure gravity with, and they've been frustrated because they have encountered a kind of noise. And the head of a lab in Illinois wrote them a letter that has caused an exchange of ideas, and what they think they have discovered is the granularity of the hologram - recognizing that the universe is really some kind of gigantic hologram. So, what's interesting about these frontier issues is we're beginning to realize that what we think of as physical reality is really a digital simulation; that we actually find ourselves in a virtual reality; and that the real reality is something larger, something more ephemeral, something less tangible to us. And the particle physicists seem to concur with this because they believe they have now discovered that we live in four discernible dimensions, three spatial - length, width and height - and the fourth is time. But those are four out of an actual ten; in other words there are six other dimensions that we're aware of only indirectly, because you could only discover those by some indirect techniques.

What makes that amusing to me is that's exactly what Maimonides - the 13th Century Hebrew sage - concluded from Genesis 1 that the universe has ten dimensions, four "knowable, and six not knowable." He did it from textual gymnastics, and it's interesting that he came to the same conclusion as we have by spending millions of dollars on atomic accelerators, and all he used was the text. The point is as we start dealing with things like UFOs or things like angelic beings the more sophisticated we are in terms of our understanding of hyperspaces, the more normal those things strike us as being. So a lot of our difficulties in trying to understand these issues, part of our problem, is that most of us haven't had the occasion to really study the nature or the boundaries of our own reality. The more you know about the frontiers of science, the more comfortable some of those concepts are.

Q: The Sumerians, referring to them as 'super geniuses', indicated that they had a method to manipulate science so they could move in and out of our reality. For those people who don't understand the angel view, the history of the Watchers, I want to make sure today that we have you explain the Watchers.

A: The Watchers are a little more elusive, but the key text for all of this subject matter is Gen 6. Many people fail to realize it's all one sentence (v. 1&2). "It came to pass when men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were fair, and took them wives of all whom they chose." That's all one sentence. "Sons of God" is a term in the Hebrew that's used throughout the OT as a reference to a direct creation of God - namely, an angel. If you look at the Greek translation that was done three centuries before the Christian era, the Greek is very precise and they called
them what they were, angels. "The sons of God saw the daughters of men."Notice they weren't daughters of a subclass of men; it was men in general. That's important for another reason.

In any case, what they did when you get to the 4th verse..."there were giants in the earth in those days, and also after that when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them. The same became the mighty men, which were of old, men of renown." The mighty men were the gibborum. The word 'giants' there, in the English translation is actually a transliteration of of the Greek term 'gigantes' which doesn't mean giants, actually; it means 'earthborn.' They were giants, but that turns out to be incidental. In the Hebrew the word is 'nephilim,' which comes from the verb meaning 'the fallen ones.' The point is, what apparently happens here is that these fallen angels found a way somehow to create a hybrid, a creature that was abnormal called the Nephilim. And this was the causation of the flood of Noah, because there was a gene pool problem.

And that's what God does, he starts over. He picks eight. This event is recorded in virtually all the ancient cultures, and it's a widely understood view. In fact, in the Greek mythology you have the Titans, the gods, and the demigods, and they embody the same kinds of notions. The American Indians have these same traditions. What most people miss, in verse 4 it says "there were giants in the earth in those days, and also after that."

What many people don't realize, it didn't just happen before the flood. It apparently happened in the land of Canaan in anticipation of the return from Egypt. God had told Abraham that his people would be away for four centuries and then they would come back to the land. Well, that gave Satan four centuries to lay down a mine field. And, later, when Moses came to Kadesh-Barnea, and they sent in the 12 spies, in Numbers 13:33 it says there were Nephilim in the land in those days again. So the fallen angels again found a way to create these hybrids. And those angels are referred to three times in the NT as being incarcerated for a specific destiny. So, it's a spooky kind of thing to deal with, but it is the biblical text, and it's not confined to just Gen 6.

You really can't understand a number of aspects of the OT saga unless you understand the role these
strange creatures play. And why Joshua was instructed to wipe out every man, woman and child of four specific tribes. It's interesting as you study the book of Judges you find out that they didn't quite do what they were supposed to do. And if you study Judges geographically you discover that the areas where they failed to follow through and do what God said was an area along the coast, up in the NE (in Bashan), known today as Gaza, the Golan Heights and the West Bank. It's interesting that those same regions where they failed to destroy them, are still in dispute even to this day. That's why many writers - George Otis and others - have made the point that these things are strangely territorial, and that's always puzzled me because I would have thought these creatures that are beyond our physics wouldn't be necessarily constrained to any kind of geography. But apparently they are, and there seems to be evidence of that in the biblical texts. Daniel 10 and elsewhere.

The reason, of course, that all of this sparks our interest is because Jesus, in the Olivet Discourse, when he's giving an inside briefing to his four insiders about the second coming, said that as the days of Noah were, so shall the days of the coming of the Son of Man be. So whatever was going on there, will be intensified again near the end. And that's one reason so many people who have a biblical interest take the trouble to try to understand these issues. And there are a number of places where we find allusions to these kinds of creatures, even a little more ambiguous in terms of what is their role and what are they doing? The whole area of human reproduction seems to be at the core of this. That's why when you start studying these abduction issues that's probably the spookiest part of the whole study, because we discover among professional practitioners, they encounter people who have apparently had some very bizarre experiences - too bizarre to accept, and yet too consistent to deny.

Dr. John Mack is perhaps the most articulate spokesman for that area. I think he dealt with 176 of these cases. His point is (in his book?) that they are all above average intelligence, they have no prior psychiatric history, they have clearly been subjected to some kind of trauma, and there are details to their stories that are surprisingly consistent and disturbing. And these are people that would just as soon hide or bury these things because it destroys their lives. They get tagged as kooks and nuts, and you really have to draw out from them the details of what apparently transpired.

Q: And in many of those cases - you mentioned about manipulation of DNA - there is physical evidence to removal of ovum, scoop marks in their skin.

A: I ran into one where there was bone biopsies, and the person was not aware of it. And that clouded their credibility with the investigators because normally you couldn't have something like that, a very intrusive procedure, without being aware of it. But it turns out that those cases become very coveted case studies. One of the things that seems to be the agenda is a probing of the human reproduction system, and one of the conjectures that arises is that in the old days, back in Noah's day, when they indulged in whatever they do they ended up getting giants.

One of the things that may be going on is that as they do the same thing today the hybrids that they generate are diminutive, 3' high little green men or whatever. And what may be the difficulty they're encountering is the degeneration of the human genome. They find wheat seeds in the pyramids in Egypt and plant them, and they grow, amazingly enough, but they also have amino acids that we never even knew existed. And so there is a view by some that there has been a degeneration over the centuries, so they don't get the results that they did centuries ago. Who knows? We're suddenly in the area of fringe conjectures here. Dr. John Mack had a conference on this at MIT and he challenged the audience. He said if what these people are saying happened to the ISN'T happening, what is? Because there's too much consistency in these episodes to deny their existence, and yet the whole concept is disturbing to anyone.

Q: And then, of course, there is in the protoevangelium and in the OT the concept of the seed of Christ being in opposition to the seed of Satan. And then others like G.H. Pember who said the last days would repeat this invasion of Nephilim spirits and their influence upon the earth. It does make you wonder if this collection of biological matter - and it also includes animals - and there are tens of thousands of cases, so something definitely is happening. In your opinion is there some connection to these end time prophecies?

A: There's an interesting allusion in Daniel 2. We all remember the metal image of gold, silver, bronze and iron; and then there's the iron mixed with clay. And when Daniel is explaining those symbols in verse 43, as to the miry clay - the problem is that it's in Aramaic rather than Hebrew - but miry clay is clay made from dust; it tends to be brittle, is the idea. But he says, "as for the miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men" ... and it won't adhere. That's a very strange phrase, because he shifts to a personal pronoun: "they" shall mingle themselves with the seed of men. Grammatically, what that requires is that the 'they' are something OTHER than the seed of men ... in order to mingle with the seed of men. So, that immediately leads to the question of who 'they' would be. And there are two possibilities. 1) They are Nephilim, again, and not the seed of men. 2) The other possibility is that they are clones. I don't embrace #2 particularly, but the idea that 'they' refers to Nephilim seems to me more probable. But, whatever 'they' are, they emerge in an end time sense in a very distinctive way. And they apparently are prolific enough to be a meaningful demographic of society, because they're a significant factor in describing the rise and fall of these empires.

Q: Regarding alien abduction there is evidence that these have been stopped by calling on the name of Jesus.

A: I had an interesting experience when "Alien Abduction" first came out (one of his books). When I was doing radio interviews, I got a call from Hollywood from a producer there, and that always startles me because I don't travel in that crowd. He said that he knew a lot about this area, but was disturbed because I took the position that a Christian can't be abducted, and he said 'you need to do some homework and check the Andreasson affair..." Betty Andreasson is one of the classic examples, apparently a Christian in a spirit-filled fellowship and all of that, and she apparently had a couple of creatures in the middle of the night who took her off into an experience of some kind. But if you read her affidavit very, very closely it turns out that she wasn't abducted; they invited her, and she accepted their invitation [enough said...], and I take the position that that's not an abduction.

In fact, in our book that's what we try to point out to people. If they have some kind of encounter, they should not be bluffed, and they should not accept an invitation. I also argue they should not allow themselves to be hypnotized, and we have a little checklist in the back of the book that I would call spiritual hygiene. We have found out that those people who are Christians that have some kind of UFO experience - in every one we've investigated, the person involved had occultic involvement prior to accepting Christ.

I remember Hal Lindsay and another fellow and I had a deep discussion about this back in those days, and one of the conclusions that we came to, as we compared notes...the classical procedure to accept Christ in the formal churches used to include a renunciation of Satan, all his works and ways, as part of the procedure of accepting Christ. It was an explicit renunciation of any prior involvement with Satan. We don't do that anymore. We're so anxious for someone to come down the sawdust trail, that we fail to realize that there may be something deeper that needs to be dealt with, and the idea of an explicit renunciation of the history - whether it's a piece of property or whether it's a person - seems to be a required element that should accompany what we're doing. [This is critically important. The will of the individual is key to demonic possession and tampering. Many of these people have generational demons that are passed down. Sometimes they aren't even aware of it, so this renunciation should always be done, especially in this time when demonic activity is so prolific.]

Q: Are there factors that would make a person more likely to experience abduction, either personal behavior or even, some people believe you can have material items in your possession; you don't want to get rid of them but maybe these items could even invite these kinds of things.

A: Could be. [They absolutely do invite them.] I think this gets into the whole issue of the occult. And there is good scriptural reason to separate yourself from objects of that kind. A lot of people when they travel to Polynesia or Asia or somewhere will pick up one of the religious objects as mementos. [These so-called mementos are often laden with a curse.] Many people saw The Exorcist, which was written about a true situation which started with a person messing around with a ouija board. That seems harmless enough, but it isn't. [It's extremely dangerous as an entry point.]

These things are called entries. Dungeons and Dragons and such role playing games [and now video games, also] may be more dangerous than people are generally aware, because they can provide an entry to these malevolent beings. So, they do seem to need an entry. [It's all about a person's will - these entities harp on this all the time, how they must get the person's legal consent. They operate under this sanction, and if you read much about this subject you find that the demonic world greatly resents this restriction, but they are bound by it.]

Q: The reason I asked that is because you had said that in your research, in every case of abduction that each one of these people in one way or another had some kind of occultic past. Also, a lot of these abductees also claim that they're receiving messages that are being channeled to them by aliens. Is there some common theme to that?

A: Yes, that's one of the things I believe was one of the reasons that both Jacque Vallee and Hynek came to the conclusion that they were malevolent, because those messages betray an intention to deceive, and that's contrary to the popular folk lore. A lot of people think that these UFO beings are here to help us, give us new technology, whatever. That's in total contrast to what the real experience is from the records. That's one of the reasons that someone who is biblically literate the things take a very clear posture of being malevolent, not helpful.

Q: Also, some prophecy students believe that if there is in the future some grand UFO alien manifestation - some armada of ships filling the sky - that this could play a role in great deception. Are you one of those people?

A: Yes, probably so. Because one of the most difficult things in biblical theology is this whole issue of the harpazo - the rapture of the church - and there's just no way to imagine what that will be like. In other words, it has to be the most preposterous doctrine in fundamental Christianity, on the one hand. But, I'm reminded of what Richard Fayman/Thayman (sp?) of Cal Tech ... he has a similar situation; he talks about particle physics - and he says the quantum theory in particle physics is absolutely ridiculous; the only thing it has going for it is that it happens to be unquestionably correct.

The harpazo, the rapture, is such a strange idea. Unfortunately, though, it is very clearly so described by Paul in I Thess 4 and I Cor 15, and this may surprise some people, but you can actually find it alluded to in 3-4 places in the OT. But the point is that trying to visualize the Father, Son and Holy Spirit saying, "Go get 'em," and the gathering of the church - that's got to be the biggest shock that the earth ever had or ever will have.

Some people think there's going to be an awful lot of people raptured; others say probably not as many as we think, but the point is that there are attempts, apparently, in the New Age world to almost lay down the cover story. And we talk about that in the book (which one?), because Mark Eastman (the co-author) took that on and got some people to really wade through the New Age literature and took up the strange attempts to anticipate it. The idea being that's it's the Christian's commitment to these beliefs is that standing in the way of man's progress, and the people who hold these Christian view have to be gotten out of the way in order for mankind to move to the next level. So they have these various contrived explanations which would seem to be an attempt to explain the sudden disappearance. [New Age literature going back at least as far as Helen Blavatsky talk about this very thing. The Christians are their greatest problem - this is a universal theme - and all of their occult literature, right up to the present, says that the Christians will need to be 'removed to another dimension' because they will thwart the plans for a 'peaceful and loving' world. And, to add insult to injury, they can't nail down the time of this event. I believe the manifestation of the UFO 'landing' will be used as some sort of ploy to explain away the rapture. It's unclear of the exact timing of this planned event, but it's possible it will be immediately following the rapture - although there isn't agreement on this issue.]

Q: And to deceive the world...

A: Yes, you put your finger on it. A very key point. The one thing we really do understand, from the scripture cover to cover, is that Satan's primary weapon is deceit. He is the Deceiver. And, in fact, there's even a specific reference to a specific lie in 2 Thess 2, that God will send them a strong delusion that they should believe 'the' lie (it says 'a' lie in the KJV but it's actually a definite article: 'the' lie), and it's a very specific delusion that God will allow him to spring. And, that's the other thing, by the way ... it's my personal suspicion that the whole reason that the rapture is not timed - everything else in eschatology, if you do your homework you can sort of
sequence, at least.

But the one thing that is elusive is the timing of the harpazo, and it's my personal suspicion that it's designed to catch Satan by surprise [absolutely; my suspicion, too], because when that springs, Satan knows he's got a short window of time to do whatever he's going to do. I think part of the dynamics here is to catch him by surprise. So that, to me, is the ultimate refutation of these people who try to set dates and have their little charts and diagrams, and they have their hypothesis about the possible dates, etc. I'm also starting to get in some of these interviews 'what about 2012?'

Q: Right now, evangelical institutions, mostly, are leaving the question of ET, astrobiology, whatever, to the Vatican, to the History Channel, to Hollywood, and all of the above is fashioning a very specifically tuned kind of answer that goes along with what you were saying a moment ago that seems to be kind of a setup for delusion, for deception. My question is: why - for the most part - are evangelical institutions not addressing this issue? I was a pastor for 25 years; I realize you have to feed the sheep. You can't get up and talk about UFOs every week [!], but you also do need to have some position on the contemporary issues of the world. If you don't, they're going to hear from a Wiccan or anybody else that can provide them some kind of an answer. Why is that happening, and do you think the time has come for evangelical ministries to be willing to at least have some position on this??

A: Oh, absolutely. [I couldn't agree more strongly.]I think eschatology is not a peripheral issue. It's a very central issue. I think that eschatology is so challenging to a pastor because, unlike some of the other areas, it really requires a grasp of the whole counsel of God. You can't indulge in one-verse theology, with eschatology especially. That's one reason it's so challenging, and that's why many pastors are intimidated by trying to even tackle it.

But there's another side to this that I think is very interesting. I believe your eschatological view will derive from your hermeneutics. If you really take the Bible seriously, take it literally, you tend to move to the high view of the Scripture - in contrast to what I'll call the 'soft' view, hermeneutically; that you think it's just allegorical, symbolic, fine. If I know your hermeneutics, I can predict where you come out eschatologically. [Yes.] And, from your eschatology you really get your ecclesiology. You know, the seven letters to the churches, it lays out in advance the whole ecclesiastic history of the planet earth, and if I know from your ecclesiology, that closes the loop and determines your hermeneutics. If you have a very high view of scripture...the point is, it's circular. In the sixty years I've studied the Bible, again and again I've had to amend my views as I learn more. But it's always been in the direction of taking it even more seriously than I did before. I discovered so many things that are hidden.

In today's world, with the information we have you can get to the Hebrew or Greek without knowing the languages because the software is available free of charge. So we have the availability of the Word of God that's more available to the average person than ever before in the history of the world. So we're without excuse to really do our homework. But I think the field of eschatology is tragically shunned by many because it is challenging because it really does impose a grasp of God's whole program from beginning to end. It's not just end times. [This is my greatest fear, that the church is not dealing with Satan's contemporary deceits to any extent whatever. This leaves the sheep wide open to him.]

http://www.khouse.org/ - Missler's main website (Koinonia House)
http://www.studycenter.com/ - Missler's online campus for Christians

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UFO Disclosure/Contact, Part 10 - Dr Lynn Marzulli

Continuing information from a recent seminar, "Official Disclosure: Prepare For Contact," featuring top researchers, ex-government agents, world-famous field investigators, physicists and theologians. The post contains info directly from the featured speaker. Questioner is Thomas Horn. Any comments by me will be in brackets []. Very light editing done on Q&As.

Dr. Lynn Marzulli is a theologian, the author of the "Nephilim Trilogy;" his latest offering, "The Alien Interviews;" and other non-fiction books. He is a lecturer and speaker, musician who has recorded numerous CD's, and just completed an hour with the History Channel.

Q: What can you tell us about the spate of information coming out of the Royal Society meetings, because I think we are living in an unprecedented period of time?
A: I certainly agree with you 100%. This is all part of what I've termed 'the coming great deception' - the Luciferian Endgame. These governments are slowly beginning to release information. We know that the UK, France, Belgium, Mexico and Brazil all have released classified documents talking about UFO sightings from the 1950's to the present time. In my opinion, the old guard in the US, probably left over from the Truman era, and I can't prove this... it's just a hunch...but some of the old guard remains, and this is what's holding it back here in the US - that is, the releasing our information to the public. There will be full disclosure. Of course, my belief system, as yours, is that this is not just some friendly ET from the Pleiades.

My research recently has uncovered some very disturbing, very graphic information from a man who used to be a lifelong law enforcement homicide detective, and he'll be on my show, Acceleration Radio, next Wednesday talking about human mutilations. So, for those people in the exopolitic movement who are saying that maybe it's another race of ET that's doing this, or that some of them are benevolent and others are malevolent, in my opinion they're shape shifting. They can appear as they want to appear.

I don't know if you've seen Ben Stein's movie, Expelled, but at the very end of the movie I think he's sitting down with Richard Dawkins and asks him where life began. And Dawkins raises his eyebrow and says, "Well, maybe millions of years ago in a far off galaxy," and Stein just looks at him because it's such an intellectually bankrupt argument. He has no clue where life began.

So, what we're looking at is the coming great deception, and what it's promulgating is the Alien Gospel, which is basically this: An ET created all life on earth, by genetically manipulating us. They were responsible for the nascent civilizations which sprung up over the planet. They created the megalithic monuments that Sitchen and von Daniken are always pointing to. They created the world's religions, and they were looked upon by our ancestors as gods. Now they are back, at this very critical juncture, to advance us into this next spiritual paradigm. After researching this for decades, in my opinion it's closer now than ever. It will come in a time of fear because the Luciferians generate fear, their currency is fear, they move in fear, their every action creates fear. Just look at the cattle mutilations, the abduction phenomena, the people who are implanted. It always creates fear.

And this is where it's going, and when the war in the Middle East happens - and my theory is that it will involve the supernatural - it's just a scenario, but it's based on lots of study with prophecy - Ezekiel 38 war, certainly. When a nuke - not if, but when - goes off in the Middle East, and perhaps dirty bombs in this country, it will create the greatest collective fear that this planet has ever known. Humankind will be standing at the precipice of disaster, and it's a perfect time for one mile-to-three mile wide craft, manifesting over the cities of the world. And when that happens it will cause the great falling away, which is talked about in 2 Thess 4, where millions of people will have their paradigm changed almost instantaneously, and they will literally believe this deception that the so-called alien race created all life on this planet.

The Raelians [a UFO cult], who are 70-80,000 people strong, follow this guy called Rael [He claims to be Maitreya]. He claims that he is the same as Jesus. You can't make this stuff up. That's how bizarre it is. This is 30 years ago, and now he's trying to build embassies, including one in Jerusalem, so that when the 'space brothers' come, we'll be ready for them. These people, the Raelians [includes lots of actors, entertainers and politicians], already believe in the Alien Gospel, as do Sitchen and von Daniken. The guidebook of the supernatural, the Bible, tells us the elect would be deceived if that were possible, that men would faint from fear from what is coming on the earth, that Lucifer will come with all signs and lying wonders. You start putting that stuff together, and then look at what's manifesting on the planet - over 300 UFO sightings every single month. In 1950 there was one in December. In 2008 there were 353 in December. So these are real, burgeoning, not going away. It's time for us to decide what world view we're going to take.

Q: Is it prophecy, that this whole UFO phenomena has something to do with all this other mysterious phenomena? If you take it down to its roots, it appears to be something that is moving in and out of our three-dimensional reality, at will. We're catching glimpses of it, trying to understand it. Scientists are looking at it and trying to decide if we can look at it via physics, or quantum physics. But, now from a biblical point of view you would say this is something entirely different, and is it prophesied? How does the modern UFO phenomenon tie in with ancient manuscripts, ancient prophecies, and is that what we're seeing with this profusion of increased UFO activity in the world today?
A: Well, the short answer is yes. What we're looking at is the manifestation of the fallen angel cohorts. We get this one glimpse, this one amazing sentence, which most biblical commentators unfortunately won't even look at - plain as it can be - and basically it says the Son of Man will return when it will be like the days of Noah. And this is right from the mouth of the Man himself, saying this. That sets up a whole conundrum. It's a red flare going up into the night sky. And that begs the question: what differentiates the particular days of Noah from any other time in history? In my opinion, it's the presence of the fallen angels. Dr. I.D.E.Thomas is one of the first people to make this connection to the fallen angels [I made the connection about thirty years ago, but I'm 'nobody.'!] There are biblical scholars who will quibble over that, but I won't get into the theological details...but a deep study of this shows that these are indeed fallen angels.

And we see from other sources such as the Book of Enoch, which amplify the book of Genesis, we know that these fallen angels came to earth, they descended on Mount Hermon, 200 strong. We're talking about entry from other dimensions. We know there are three heavens; the first is earth's atmosphere, the second is space outside the atmosphere of earth, the third is the real thing where the Godhead dwells. We know Lucifer has been limited to the second heaven, so what we're looking at in Mt Hermon is some sort of a portal, a gateway, which allows these entities to touch down, to pass through the second heaven and come into this dimension.

We also know from the Bible, the guidebook to the supernatural, that at the transfiguration Jesus took several of the disciples up onto a mountain, and all of a sudden the scene changed. Moses and Elijah were there, Jesus' garments became white as snow - brilliant light - they heard this voice, they didn't see anything. A lot of biblical scholars believe that was the same mountain, Mt Hermon, that the fallen angels descended out of. In my opinion, it was like Jesus going back there and putting a stake in the ground, and saying, no ... this is ours now. This is mine; I'm reclaiming this. Just a thought.

But what we're seeing thousands of years ago was the manifestation of the fallen angels, and they cohabited, had sex with, the women of the earth; and from that union this ungodly abomination known as the Nephilim were born. They were hybrids: half fallen angel, half human. This is the reason for the flood, why Gen 6 tells us Noah was pure in all his generations. DeHaan did a wonderful expository of what that passage means. It doesn't mean that Noah was sinless; it means that his bloodline was intact.

What we're looking at - and this is what people need to get their heads around - has to do with this cosmic chess match. All throughout the biblical timeline there is move, counter move, move, counter move; and we see it for thousands of years. What differentiates those days were the presence of the Nephilim on earth.

Now, the leap is, are we seeing that today? Yes. Here's how it happens. We know that in the ancient world blood sacrifices opened portals. We know that. We also know that Satanic rituals today open portals. We know that in WWII six million Jews were literally offered as a Luciferian sacrifice. The word 'holocaust' comes from the word means a burnt offering, as on an altar. It was a burnt offering on an altar to the would-be god, Satan. It cracked open a portal. What do we see at the end of WWII? We these balls of light which were named Foo Fighters [orbs]. Some people have reported seeing similar lights in and around the fields when crop circles are made. I believe that this cracked open these portals, which were guarded on some level. (He says this has to do with Daniel waiting 21 days for the angel to return from fighting the angel of the king of Persia...but it's too long a discussion for this interview.) What we also see is that the one billion abortions globally since Roe v Wade has increased that sacrifice. [I heard this same thing from an ex-Satanist, ex-Illuminati, Don Marquis, now a Christian for over twenty years.] What people don't understand is there is great spiritual significance when a fetus is killed in the womb. The first record of that is found, as far as I know, in the Book of Enoch - specifically when one of the fallen angels taught the women how to kill the embryo in the womb. That book is thousands of years old, and in my opinion we get the first recorded abortion. It came right out of the mouth of a fallen angel. So, this is what's going on today - modern, clinical blood sacrifice, happening globally. Whether or not a person is aware of it, it opens up a satanic link, a portal. And this is why this stuff is manifesting in greater numbers than ever before.

Q: You're website is lamarzulli.net.
A: Yes, it links to my daily blog, my radio programs,, everything.

Q: I mentioned to Chuck Missler that Dr. I.D.E. Thomas was the grandfather of this line of thought within modern evangelical eschatology, which of course he [Missler] recognized in his alien encounter books. He also says that he believes that there is a manifestation within our world today; people are looking at it as UFOs, contact by aliens. He says that this is inter-dimensional, as opposed to travel from far distances. Are you also among those intelligentsia we are interviewing this week who believe this is inter-dimensional: side by side. Extra dimensional. Not something that's coming here with a nuts and bolts technology from a far universe?
A: Yes. I believe these are inter-dimensional beings which are accessing our time/space continuum, more than likely from the second heaven. We're not told exactly how that works, but we see it. One of the interesting correlations I make is that the laws of physics are completely bent. For instance, when a person is abducted they often find themselves being levitated. They're also paralyzed. They find they are unable to move or speak, and yet they're wide awake. They're then floated through walls or windows and taken to a ship. Okay ... we just left Kansas. We really did. We're into some stuff that's physically impossible under our known laws of physics.

Now, let's take a look at Peter in jail. An angel appears to him, very much like the abductions, except this is a good angel. He comes through the wall, just as in abduction cases. Peter isn't sure whether he's awake or asleep; just the presence of this being kind of short-circuits Peter out. He then notices that everyone around him is completely asleep. Then his chains fall off him. The prison door unlocks itself, swings open, all the guards are asleep. They get to the main gate of the prison, and without touching it, the angel manipulates matter in space, the gates open and Peter leaves. The similarities between the types of events which occur cannot be overlooked. They're similar. Because they are the same type of entity - with different uses and purposes of their abilities: one good and one evil. Perhaps a weak analogy, but we could compare it to two human men; they have the same capacities, but use them for different purposes - good or evil.

Q: I want to ask you about your recent discovery concerning the cattle mutilation phenomena.
A: There is an ongoing flap in another state, which I won't name because the people want to remain anonymous. The cattle mutilations have gone destructive, according to one of his friends, a MUFON investigator. What I mean by 'gone destructive' is that they used to just take an eye or a tongue, or another body part. Now, more and more of the animal is gone. And yet, there is no blood ... the coyotes won't touch it ... no footprints or disturbances. What puts this completely into another area is when you start talking about the human mutilations, which are ongoing.

And, when we take the human mutilations and look at the Book of Enoch, it tells us that they began to eat and drink the flesh of men. What we're seeing now is the UFO phenomena is beginning to parallel that. I won't get into it on the air, but it's horrific. I'll say this: if you Google 'human mutilation pictures' you'll get to a real, actual autopsy photo with forensic detail. The particular picture I'm talking about is from a coroner who is investigating a case in PA right now, where a man went to go deer hunting, got in his ATV, three days later his naked body was found, drained of blood, in the bushes by his house. These bushes were about 50' from the house, and the task force and cadaver dogs had passed this body for three days during their investigation. So the body was put there right under their noses at the end of the third day. The body was immediately taken without a coroner on the scene, which is illegal. This particular researcher was there and saw the body. The body was frozen in a look of absolute terror, with its hands in front of its face like he was trying to ward off something. All that, is to say this: in my opinion this phenomena is incredibly malevolent.

Q: Did I understand you to say that the animals would not even eat the remains?
A: Yes. Coyotes will eat anything - but not these mutilated animals, which just sit there week after week, untouched. The coyotes won't go near it. The one I'm looking into now, the man had a couple of dogs that were out for a walk, and the dogs found it, and then something spooked them and they ran away from the carcass. The carcass, after a week, is still there, untouched by any animal or predator. These things are unprecedented.

Q: Even secular researchers like Jacques Vallee and Dr. John Mack have found a strong similarity between the history of the Nephilim and historical demonology, and in many of these abduction cases there has been in their own research, the removal of all bones, scoop marks turn up in skin, samples of human DNA seem to be being collected. And a lot of these UFO flap areas, these animals you're talking about, historically they've turned up with things removed from their bodies with almost laser-like precision. But lately I have noticed that some of these reports are very much like what you're talking about. It almost seems like something has been ratcheted up to an entirely new level, and why would they be collecting human DNA? Or even animal DNA? What would be the purpose?
A: They're making hybrids. Dr. Jacobs has been looking into the alien breeding program for decades. He believes as I do, that these hybrids have reached a point where they can now pass into the general population, which of course is incredibly unnerving [clones of politicians has become so common that intelligence people say that one of the greatest frustration of politicians around the world is that they don't know whether they're talking to a clone or the real human politician from another country]. Jacobs also believes, as do I, it's very malevolent, and that these entities do not have our best interests at heart. What differentiates the days of Noah? The fallen angels, the Nephilim, were present. It's really the only time in history where you can really look at such a major, major marker. For thousands of years, everything has pretty much gone the same, except for that one period of time which actually resulted in the flood of Noah. For those who scoff at the flood of Noah, every single culture on this planet has a flood legend in its history. Something happened in antiquity, and everything was wiped out except for eight people. And it's because of this new hybrid seed coming from the fallen angels. The seed of Satan.

Another interesting dynamic is we get this bit of prophecy in Daniel, which says: "Their seed will mingle with the seed of men, but they shall not cleave to them." That word 'cleave' is exactly the same word that we see in Genesis where it talks about given in marriage. Where in Gen 6 they took wives; there was a marriage contract between the fallen angel and the woman. And later on, as Daniel points to, we see their seed mingling, but there is no cleaving. There is no marriage ... they take the women, they abduct the women...either they become impregnated and the third month they are re-abducted, the fetus is taken, and usually 3-5 years later they're re-abducted - and certainly in the earlier days in the '80s and '90s they're showing very sickly human/alien hybrids. Stringy hair, large eyes, thin limbs, very pale complexions. That's 2-3 decades ago. Apparently, the breeding program is so vigorous that now they can create the hybrids that can 'pass' ... except, some of these hybrids can have superhuman powers. So, when this thing hits - and this thing IS going to happen, this full-on disclosure, when it happens, the hybrids that are already placed will become very evident. [see my blog on Indigo children] It will be very nasty.

Q: What about the people who are delivered instantly in the name of Jesus when they are approached by these entities? This really adds a biblical dynamic to this. Something has been happening since the beginning of time. Is this what we're talking about, that there is a demonism, and it's subject to the name of Jesus?
A: We're not talking churchianity or religion here. We're talking about a God/man, who when he incarnated...let's just walk it through here, and strip it down and expose what really happened. I call the Bible the guidebook to the supernatural, because it shows us how to interface with these beings who are good angels; it shows us how to NOT engage with the wrong ones; it tells us what to do and not to do re: necromancy, mediums, etc., how to stay away from those things, and the reasons why.

Jesus, when he was on the planet - this is an incredible story. In the ancient world if you had leprosy it was a death sentence. You were ostracized from family and friends and doomed to a long, slow, painful death, where you would watch your flesh rot in front of you. Well, Jesus is out talking to a group of people, and ten lepers cry out from far away, "Son of David! (a title of kingship) Have mercy on us!" And Jesus says, "Go your way. You are healed." The lepers are instantly healed. Now, let's stop there. They were INSTANTLY healed, which means Jesus is manipulating, on the molecular cellular level - the atomic level - manipulating matter and energy in ways that we have no idea about, which is why we call it a miracle. Their flesh is restored.

One more example. Jesus is asleep in a boat, and a huge storm comes up. His buds are freaking out. They wake Jesus up, he looks at them and says, "Where is your faith?" Two words, "Be calm." Now, the storm doesn't slowly dissipate at those words. It INSTANTLY stopped. How does he do that? We all know that kind of energy that's in a storm. Somehow he's able to manipulate it just with His WORD. So, what we're seeing is that there was, according to Christian mythos - and I believe it, which is why I am a Christian - what we see is benevolent acts by this man, over and over again. To us, they are absolutely supernatural. With that in mind, the paradigm that I embrace with the UFO phenomenon is one of supernatural events.

There's a war going on. [This is what I've been trying to say on this blog.] This war has been going on for thousands of years, between the fallen angels and God's angels. It's been this cosmic chess game. It's playing out now because the enemy knows his time is short. He's coming, just as prophecy tells us, "with all signs and lying wonders." And that is what's manifesting now. Satan is creating this deception, "that even the elect would be deceived if it were possible." This is the alien gospel which is going to cause people to fall away, and to join this one-world global economic and religious system.

These are very tenuous times we are living in. We look at all the supernatural manifestation happening on the planet: crop circles, UFOs, cattle mutilations, the abductions, the alien implants. This doctor (Lear?) I interviewed has done 16 of these, and this is like nanotechnology. The blood vessels wrap around these little implants the size of a BB, and it may be changing humans' DNA [there is ample proof of DNA is being changed - and many children are being born with an extra strand of DNA], so this is what we're dealing with. High strangeness. And we're up to our necks in it.

Q: Let's go back to UFOs. What would you say to a skeptic, regarding UFOs?
A: I realize this is incredibly self-serving, but I wrote "The Alien Interview" book to give to the skeptic. There are five PhD's that come on the record, and these people's credentials are impeccable - and they've all had direct contact with the phenomena. They weren't looking for this. It found them.We have to begin to deal with it. We've got the UK, France, Belgium and Brazil, Japan and Mexico; all stating they don't know what it is, but these crafts move with impunity in our skies. Surely, we may differ in what it means, but we can agree that UFOs are real, burgeoning, and not going away. And the bottom line is that when you see one, as this interview in my book did, a MILE WIDE, hovering over his head, he was completely overwhelmed by the experience. It made no noise, defied the laws of physics, then moves off into the distance and slowly vanishes, that has to really mess with your head, your paradigm.

With all due respect to Catholics, the supernaturals that are manifesting all over the earth, when we look back at the Fatima vision in 1917, it was a harbinger, a sign. 70,000 people believed that this phenomena was the Mary of the Bible. It was not. When we go back and look at what the eyewitnesses said, the miracle of the sun dancing, then starts to wobble and slowly descend on the crowd. Everyone was soaked, their clothes instantly dried and left a yellowish residue. People think it's the end of the world. Mass pandemonium. 70,000 people's paradigms were INSTANTLY changed, because they've encountered something supernatural and they don't know what it is. The witness thought what they saw was 'a silver disk', 'a spinning disk', a bright disk, a dull spinning silver disk. The word 'disk' is used over and over again. Knowing what we know now, if we were standing out in that field, I think we would all say, Oh, my gosh...it's a UFO. [I couldn't agree more.]But that terminology was not in the public vernacular in 1917.

This is an example of what happens to people when they encounter something supernatural, and they have no background in it. My formula is: rebuke first, and ask questions later. If you see something beyond your understanding like this, rebuke it in the name of Jesus. Say it out loud, and don't get mesmerized by it because it is overwhelming when you see it - and at that point it's too late. REBUKE IT FIRST. Don't look at it. Get out of there as fast as you can.

Q: And the thing people need to know is that what you're describing right now concerning the Fatima manifestation is that this information - the original record - is based on the eyewitnesses.
A: Yes, and this was not the Mary of the Bible. This is why I call it a harbinger of deception. It's a dry run, a precursor, a preview of things to come on the earth. The Bible says that even the elect would be deceived if that were possible, 2 Thess 4. It says that day will not come until the great falling away comes first, pointing to the Antichrist. I've done an exhaustive study on this, including with a Greek scholar. The word is 'apostasia' from which comes our word, 'apostasy.' It's an event. In my book I quote a biblical scholar by the name of Keesley (?), who elaborates on this point and nails it home, that what we're looking at is some sort of an EVENT which causes this apostasy. That begs the question: what event could cause some sort of great falling away that prophecy tells us about. The short answer to that is, if you see a one-mile wide UFO over your head, unless you know what you're looking at, just as the Bible tells us, even the elect would be deceived if that were possible. That's what's coming. Men fainting from fear from what is coming on the earth.

I believe the Shroud of Turin is God's calling card. It's speaks of a physics which we know nothing about. It also gives us an idea - an overview - that this phenomena can best be explained by the Bible. We're dealing with physics that we know nothing about, a reality and another dimension which we know nothing about. We don't even know how to interface with it, which is why the Bible is always telling us 'you don't want to go there ... you don't want to ask or project or have spirit guides' like the New Agers are always trying to tell us to do, because we're not equipped to deal in that dimension, and we're certainly not equipped to deal with the entities who inhabit that dimension.

Q: You also had your own sighting this past year. Was this the first time?
A: No, it was the second time. We actually saw two this year. One was very disturbing, bizarre sighting, and from that came "Rebuke first, ask questions later." I became overwhelmed by what I was looking at. In 2009, we were driving, and I saw this very large light. At first I thought, when a plane comes at you with the light on, that's what it looked like. Very, very bright. A smaller light appeared above it and slowly descended into the white light, and then the craft disappeared with concentric rings, and as it disappeared it just vanished. As I looked at the spot where it had vanished, about a minute later, Bam! it was back. Very bright. It did this two or three times, like a cat and mouse game. I realized I had gotten sucked into it and became overwhelmed by what I was seeing. This stuff is mesmerizing.

If you encounter one, immediately rebuke it. Do not look into their eyes. If you see a craft, rebuke it, get out of there as fast as you can. Don't mess with it.

Royal Heir

UFO Disclosure/Contact, Part 8 - Dr. Lynn Marzulli **MUST READ**

Continuing information from a recent seminar, "Official Disclosure: Prepare For Contact," featuring top researchers, ex-government agents, world-famous field investigators, physicists and theologians. The post contains info directly from the featured speaker. Questioner is Thomas Horn. Any comments by me will be in brackets []. Very light editing done on Q&As.

Dr. Marzulli is a theologian, the author of the "Nephilim Trilogy," his latest offering, "The Alien Interviews," and other non-fiction books. He is a lecturer and speaker, musician who has recorded numerous CD's, and just completed an hour with the History Channel.

Q: What do you think of the spate of information coming out of the Royal Society meetings, because I think we are living in an unprecedented period of time?
A: I certainly agree with you 100%. This is all part of what I've termed the coming great deception - "The Luciferian Endgame." These governments are slowly beginning to release information. We know that the UK, France, Belgium, Mexico and Brazil all have released classified documents talking about UFO sightings from the 1950's to the present time. In my opinion, the remaining old guard in the US, probably left over from the Truman era, is what's holding it back here - that is, the releasing our information to the public. But most people just go back to watching American Idol, and it's business as usual. There will be full disclosure.

My belief system, as yours, is that this is not just some friendly ET from the Pleiades. My research recently has uncovered some very disturbing, very graphic information from a man who was a lifelong homicide detective, and he'll be on my show, Acceleration Radio, next Wednesday, talking about human mutilations. So, for those people in the exopolitic movement who are saying that maybe it's another race of ET that's doing this, or that some of them are benevolent and others are malevolent, in my opinion they're shape shifting. They can appear as they want to appear. I don't know if you've seen Ben Stein's movie, Expelled, but at the very end of the movie he asks Richard Dawkins [famous atheist] where life began. And Dawkins raises his eyebrow and says, "Well, maybe millions of years ago in a far off galaxy," and Stein just looks at him, because it's such an intellectually bankrupt argument. He has no clue where life began.

So, what we're looking at is the coming great deception, and what it's promulgating is what I call the Alien Gospel, which is basically this: An ET created all life on earth, by genetically manipulating us. They were responsible for starting all the ancient civilizations, they created the megalithic monuments such as the pyramids, they created the world's religions, and they were looked upon by our ancestors as gods. Now they are back at this very critical juncture to advance us into this next spiritual paradigm. After researching this for decades, in my opinion it's closer now than ever. It will come in a time of fear because the Luciferians generate fear, their currency is fear, they move in fear, their every action creates fear. Just look at the cattle mutilations, the abduction phenomena, the people who are implanted. It always creates fear. And this is where it's going, and when the war in the Middle East happens, I believe that it will involve the supernatural - it's just a scenario, but it's based on lots of study with prophecy - the Ezekiel 38 war, certainly. When a nuke - not if, but when - goes off in the Middle East, and perhaps dirty bombs in this country, it will create the greatest collective fear that this planet has ever known. Humankind will be standing at the precipice of disaster, and it's a perfect time for 1- mile to 3-mile wide craft to manifest over the cities of the world. And when that happens it will cause the great falling away, which is talked about in 2 Thess 4, where millions of people will have their paradigm changed almost instantaneously, and they will literally believe this deception that the so-called aliens created all life on this planet.

The Raelians, who are 70-80,000 people strong, follow this guy who says the aliens changed his name to Rael [He claims to be Maitreya]. He claims that he is the same as Jesus. You can't make this stuff up. That's how bizarre it is. He's now he's trying to build embassies, including one in Jerusalem, so that when the 'space brothers' come, we'll be ready for them. These people, the Raelians [which includes lots of actors, entertainers and politicians], already believe in the Alien Gospel, as do Sitchen and von Daniken.

The guidebook of the supernatural (the Bible) tells us the elect themselves will be deceived if that were possible, that men will faint from fear from what is coming on the earth, that Lucifer will come will all signs and lying wonders. You start putting that stuff together, and then look at what's manifesting on the planet - over 300 UFO sightings every single month. So these are real, burgeoning, not going away. It's time for us to decide what world view we're going to take.

Q: Does this whole UFO phenomena have something to do with all this other mysterious phenomena like crop circles? If you take it down to its roots, it appears to be something that is moving in and out of our three-dimensional reality, at will. We're catching glimpses of it, trying to understand it. Scientists are looking at it and trying to decide if we can look at it via physics, or quantum physics. But, from a biblical point of view you would say this is something entirely different, and it is prophesied.
A: Yes. What we're looking at is a manifestation of the principalities of fallen angels. We get this glimpse in the Bible, which most biblical commentators unfortunately won't even look at - plain as it can be - and basically it says the Son of Man will return when it will be like the days of Noah. And this is right from the mouth of the Man himself, saying this. That sets up a whole conundrum. It's a red flare going up into the night sky. And that begs the question, what differentiates the particular days of Noah from any other time in history. In my opinion, it's the presence of the fallen angels. Dr. I.D.E. Thomas is one of the first people to make this connection to the fallen angels [I made the connection about thirty years ago.] There are biblical scholars who will quibble over that, but I won't get into the theological details...but a deep study of this shows that these are indeed fallen angels. And we see from other sources such as the Book of Enoch, which amplify the book of Genesis, that these fallen angels came to earth, they descended on Mount Hermon, 200 strong. We're talking about entry from other dimensions. We know there are three heavens; the first is earth's atmosphere, the second is space outside the atmosphere of earth, the third is the real thing where the Godhead dwells. We know Lucifer has been limited to the second heaven, so what we're looking at in Mt Hermon is some sort of a portal, a gateway, which allows these entities to touch down, to pass through the second heaven and come into this dimension.

We also know from the Bible, the guidebook to the supernatural, that at the transfiguration Jesus took several of the disciples up onto a mountain, and all of a sudden the scene changed. Moses and Elijah were there, Jesus' garments became white as snow - brilliant light - they heard this voice, they didn't see anything. A lot of biblical scholars believe that was the same mountain, Mt Hermon, that the fallen angels descended out of. In my opinion, it was like Jesus going back there and putting a stake in the ground, and saying, no ... this is ours now. This is mine; I'm reclaiming this. Just a thought.

But what we see thousands of years ago was the manifestation of the fallen angels, and they cohabited, had sex with the women of the earth; and from that union this ungodly abomination known as the Nephilim were born - the giants. They were hybrids: half fallen angel, half human. This is the reason for the flood, why Gen 6 tells us Noah was pure in all his generations. DeHaan did a wonderful expository of what that passage means. It doesn't mean that Noah was sinless; it means that his bloodline was intact. What we're looking at - and this is what people need to get their heads around - has to do with this cosmic chess match. All throughout the biblical timeline there is move, counter move, move, counter move; and we see it for thousands of years. What differentiates those days were the presence of the Nephilim on earth. Now, the leap is, are we seeing that today? Yes. Absolutely.

Here's how it happens. We know that in the ancient world, blood sacrifices opened portals. We know that. We also know that Satanic rituals today open portals. We know that in WWII six million Jews were literally offered as a Luciferian sacrifice. The word 'holocaust' comes from the word meaning a burnt offering, as on an altar. It was a burnt offering on an altar to the would-be god, Satan. It cracked open a portal. What do we see at the end of WWII? We see these balls of light which were named Foo Fighters. Some people have reported seeing similar lights in and around the fields when crop circles are made. I believe that this cracked open these portals, which were guarded on some level. (This has to do with Daniel waiting 21 days for the angel to return from fighting the angel of the king of Persia...but it's too long a discussion for this interview.) What we also see is that the one billion abortions globally since Roe v Wade has been an increased sacrifice to Satan. [I heard this same thing from an ex-Satanist, ex-Illuminati, Don Marquis, now a Christian for over twenty years.] What people don't understand is there is great spiritual significance when a fetus is killed in the womb. The first record of that is found, as far as I know, in the Book of Enoch - specifically when one of the fallen angels taught the women how to kill the embryo in the womb. That book is thousands of years old, and in my opinion we get the first recorded abortion here. It came right out of the mouth of a fallen angel. So, this is what's going on today - modern, clinical blood sacrifice, happening globally. Whether or not a person is aware of it, it opens up a satanic link, a portal, a gateway. And this is why this stuff is manifesting in greater numbers than ever before.

Q: I mentioned to Chuck Missler that Dr. I.D.E. Thomas was the grandfather of this line of thought within modern evangelical eschatology, which of course Chuck recognized in his alien encounter books. He also says that he believes that there is a manifestation within our world today; people are looking at it as UFOs, contact by aliens. He says that this is inter-dimensional, as opposed to travel from far planets. Are you also among those intelligentsia we are interviewing this week who believe this is inter-dimensional: side by side? Extra dimensional. Not something that's coming here with a nuts and bolts technology from a far universe?
A: Yes. I believe these are inter-dimensional beings which are accessing our time/space continuum, more than likely from the second heaven. We're not told exactly how that works, but we see it. One of the interesting correlations I make is that the laws of physics are completely bent. For instance, when a person is abducted they often find themselves being levitated. They're also paralyzed. They find unable to move or speak, and yet they're wide awake. They're then floated through walls or windows and taken to a ship. Okay ... we just left Kansas. We really did. We're into some stuff that's physically impossible under our known laws of physics.

Now, let's take a look at Peter in jail. An angel appears to him, very much like the abductions, except this is a good angel. He comes through the wall, just as in abduction cases. Peter isn't sure whether he's awake or asleep; just the presence of this being kind of short-circuits Peter out. He then notices that everyone around him is completely asleep. Then his chains fall off him. The
prison door unlocks itself, swings open, all the guards are asleep. They get to the main gate of the prison, and without touching it, the angel manipulates matter in space, the gates open and Peter leaves. The similarities between the types of events which occur cannot be overlooked. They're similar. Because they are the same type of entity - with different uses and purposes of their abilities: one good and one evil. Perhaps a weak analogy, but we could compare it to two human men; they have the same capacities, but use them for different purposes - good or evil.

Q: I want to ask you about your recent discover concerning the cattle mutilation phenomena.
A: There is an ongoing flap in another state, which I won't name because the people want to remain anonymous. The cattle mutilations have gone destructive, according to one of his friends, a MUFON investigator. What I mean by 'gone destructive' is that they used to just take an eye or a tongue, or another body part. Now, more and more of the animal is gone. And yet, there is no blood ... the coyotes won't touch it ... no footprints or disturbances. What puts this completely into another area is when you start talking about the human mutilations, which are ongoing. And, when we take the human mutilations and look at the Book of Enoch, it tells us that they began to eat and drink the flesh of men. What we're seeing now is the UFO phenomena is beginning to parallel that. I won't get into it on the air, but it's horrific.

I'll say this: if you Google 'human mutilation pictures' you'll get to a real, actual autopsy photo with forensic detail. The particular picture I'm talking about is from a coroner who is investigating a case in PA right now, where a man went to go deer hunting, got in his ATV, three days later his naked body was found, drained of blood, in the bushes by his house. These bushes were about 50' from the house, and the task force and cadaver dogs had passed this area for three days during their investigation. So the body was put there right under their noses at the end of the third day. The body was immediately taken, without a coroner on the scene, which is illegal. This particular researcher was there and saw the body. The body was frozen in a look of absolute terror, with its hands in front of its face like he was trying to ward off something. All that, is to say this: in my opinion this phenomena is incredibly malevolent.

Q: Did I understand you to say that the animals would not even eat the remains?
A: Yes. Coyotes will eat anything - but not these mutilated animals, which just sit there week after week, untouched. The coyotes won't go near it. The one I'm looking into now, the man had a couple of dogs that were out for a walk, and the dogs found it, and then something spooked them and they ran away from the carcass. The carcass, after a week, is still there, untouched by any animal or predator. These things are unprecedented.

Q: Even secular researchers like Jacques Vallez and Dr. John Mack have found a strong similarity between the history of the Nephilim and historical demonology, and in many of these abduction cases there has been in their own research, the removal of all bones, scoop marks turn up in skin, samples of human DNA seem to be being collected. And a lot of these UFO flap areas, these animals you're talking about, historically they've turned up with things removed from their bodies with almost laser-like precision. But lately I have noticed that some of these reports are very much like what you're talking about. It almost seems like something has been ratcheted up to an entirely new level, and why would they be collecting human DNA? Or even animal DNA? What would be the purpose?
A: They're making hybrids. Dr. Jacobs has been looking into the alien breeding program for decades. He believes as I do, that these hybrids have reached a point where they can now pass into the general population, which of course is incredibly unnerving. [I read one government official, who made the statement that governments across the world are alarmed, because they don't know any more whether they are talking to a real human or a human inhabited by these entities.] Jacobs also believes, as do I, it's very malevolent, and that these entities do not have our best interests at heart. What differentiates the days of Noah? The fallen angels, the Nephilim, were present. It's really the only time in history where you can really look at such a major, major marker. For thousands of years, everything has pretty much gone the same, except for that one period of time which actually resulted in the flood of Noah. For those who scoff at the flood of Noah, every single culture on this planet has a flood legend in its history. Something happened in antiquity, and everything was wiped out except for eight people. And it's because of this new hybrid seed coming from the fallen angels. The seed of Satan.

Another interesting dynamic is this bit of prophecy in Daniel, which says: "Their seed will mingle with the seed of men, but they shall not cleave to them." That word 'cleave' is exactly the same word that we see in Genesis where it talks about giving in marriage. Where in Gen 6 they took wives; there was a marriage contract between the fallen angel and the woman. And later on, as Daniel points to, we see their seed mingling, but there is no cleaving. There is no marriage ... they take the women, they abduct the women...either they become impregnated and the third month they are re-abducted, the fetus is taken, and usually 3-5 years later they're re-abducted - and certainly in the earlier days in the '80s and '90s they're showing very sickly human/alien hybrids. Stringy hair, large eyes, thin limbs, very pale complexions. That's 2-3 decades ago. Apparently, the breeding program is so vigorous that now they can create the hybrids that can 'pass' ... except, some of these hybrids can have superhuman powers. So, when this thing hits - and this thing IS going to happen, this full-on disclosure - when it happens, the hybrids that are already placed here will become very evident. [See my blog on 'Crystal children' where I mention that those who have been tested have an extra strand of DNA.] It will be very nasty.

Q: What about the people who are delivered instantly in the name of Jesus when they are approached by these entities? This really adds a biblical dynamic to this. Something has been happening since the beginning of time. Is this what we're talking about - demonism - and it's subject to the name of Jesus?
A: Yes. We're talking about a God/man, who - well, let's just walk it through here, and strip it down and expose what really happened. I call the Bible the guidebook to the supernatural, because it teaches us not to engage with these beings. It tells us what to do and not to do re: necromancy, mediums, etc., how to stay away from those things, and the reasons why.

Jesus, when he was on the planet - this is an incredible story. In the ancient world if you had leprosy it was a death sentence. You were ostracized from family and friends and doomed to a long, slow, painful death, where you would watch your flesh rot in front of you. Well, Jesus is out talking to a group of people, and ten lepers cry out from far away, "Son of David! (a title of kingship) Have mercy on us!" And Jesus says, "Go your way. You are healed." The lepers are instantly healed. Now, let's stop there. They were INSTANTLY healed, which means Jesus is manipulating, on the molecular cellular level - the atomic level - manipulating matter and energy in ways that we have no idea about, which is why we call it a miracle. Their flesh is restored.

One more example. Jesus is asleep in a boat, and a huge storm comes up. His buds are freaking out. They wake Jesus up, he looks at them and says, "Where is your faith?" Then two words to the storm, "Be calm." Now, the storm doesn't slowly dissipate at those words. It INSTANTLY stopped. How does he do that? We all know that kind of energy that's in a storm. Somehow he's able to manipulate it just with His WORD. So, what we're seeing is that there were - and I believe it, which is why I am a Christian - benevolent acts by this man, over and over again. To us, they are absolutely supernatural.

With that in mind, the paradigm that I embrace with the UFO phenomenon is one of supernatural events. There's a war going on. [This is what I've been trying to say on this blog.] This war has been going on for thousands of years, between the fallen angels and God's angels. It's been this cosmic chess game. It's playing out now because the enemy knows his time is short. He's coming, just as prophecy tells us, "with all signs and lying wonders." And that is what's manifesting now. Satan is creating this deception, "that even the elect would be deceived if it were possible." This is the alien gospel which is going to cause people to fall away, and to join this one-world global economic and religious system. These are very tenuous times we are living in. We look at all the supernatural manifestation happening on the planet: crop circles, UFOs, cattle mutilations, the abductions, the alien implants. This doctor (Lear?) I interviewed has done 16 of these implants, and this is nanotechnology. The blood vessels wrap around these little implants the size of a BB, and it may be changing humans' DNA [I definitely believe DNA is being changed], so this is what we're dealing with. High strangeness. And we're up to our necks in it.

Q: Let's go back to UFOs. What would you say to a skeptic, regarding UFOs?
A: I realize this is incredibly self-serving, but I wrote "The Alien Interview" book to give to the skeptic. There are five PhD's that come on the record, and these people's credentials are impeccable - and they've all had direct contact with the phenomena. They weren't looking for this. It found them.We have to begin to deal with it. We've got the UK, France, Belgium and
Brazil, Japan and Mexico; all stating they don't know what it is, but these crafts move with impunity in our skies. Surely, we may differ in what it means, but we can agree that UFOs are real, burgeoning, and not going away.

The bottom line is that when you see one, as this interview in my book did, a MILE WIDE, hovering over his head, he was completely overwhelmed by the experience. It made no noise, defied the laws of physics, then moved off into the distance and slowly vanished - that has to really mess with your head, your paradigm.

When we look back at the Fatima vision in 1917, it was a harbinger, a sign. 70,000 people believed that this phenomena was the Mary of the Bible. It was not. When we go back and look at what the eyewitnesses said, the miracle of the sun dancing, then starts to wobble and slowly descend on the crowd. Everyone was soaked, their clothes instantly dried and left a yellowish residue. People think it's the end of the world. Mass pandemonium. 70,000 people's paradigms were INSTANTLY changed, because they've encountered something supernatural and they don't know what it is. The witness thought what they saw was 'a silver disk', 'a spinning disk', a bright disk, a dull spinning silver disk. The word 'disk' is used over and over again. Knowing what we know now, if we were standing out in that field, I think we would all say, Oh, my gosh...it's a UFO. [I couldn't agree more.]But that terminology was not in the public vernacular in 1917.

This is an example of what happens to people when they encounter something supernatural, and they have no background in it. My formula is: rebuke first, and ask questions later. If you see something beyond your understanding like this, rebuke it in the name of Jesus. Say it out loud, and don't get mesmerized by it because it is overwhelming when you see it - and at that point it's too late. REBUKE IT FIRST. Don't look at it. Get out of there as fast as you can.

Q: And the thing people need to know is that what you're describing right now concerning the Fatima manifestation is based on thousands of eyewitnesses.
A: Yes, and this was not the Mary of the Bible. This is why I call it a harbinger of deception. It's a dry run, a precursor, a preview of things to come on the earth. The Bible says that even the elect would be deceived if that were possible, 2 Thess 4. It says that day will not come until the great falling away comes first, pointing to the Anti-Christ. I've done an exhaustive study on this, including with a Greek scholar. The word is 'apostasia,' from which comes our word, 'apostasy.' It's an event. In my book I quote a biblical scholar by the name of Keesley (?), who elaborates on this point and nails it home, that what we're looking at is some sort of an EVENT which causes this apostasy. That begs the question: what event could cause some sort of great falling away that prophecy tells us about? The short answer to that is: if you see a one-mile wide UFO over your head, unless you know what you're looking at, just as the Bible tells us, even the elect would be deceived if that were possible. That's what's coming. Men fainting from fear from what is coming ON the earth.

I also believe the Shroud of Turin is God's calling card. [I've had the same sense, that God is giving people one last clue to earth.] It's speaks of a physics which we know nothing about. It also gives us an idea - an overview - that this phenomena can best be explained by the Bible. We're dealing with a physics, a reality and another dimension of which we know nothing. We don't even know how to interface with it, which is why the Bible is always telling us 'you don't want to go there' ... you don't want to ask or project or have spirit guides like the New Agers are always trying to tell us to do, because we're not equipped to deal in that dimension, and we're certainly not equipped to deal with the entities who inhabit that dimension.

Q: You also had your own sighting this past year. Was this the first time?
A: No, it was the second time. We actually saw two this year. One was very disturbing, bizarre sighting, and from that came "Rebuke first, ask questions later." I became overwhelmed by what I was looking at. In 2009, we were driving, and I saw this very large light. At first I thought, when a plane comes at you with the light on, that's what it looked like. Very, very bright. A smaller light appeared above it and slowly descended into the white light, and then the craft disappeared with concentric rings, and as it disappeared it just vanished. As I looked at the spot where it had vanished, about a minute later, Bam! it was back. Very bright. It did this two or three times, like a cat and mouse game. I realized I had gotten sucked into it and became overwhelmed by what I was seeing. This stuff is mesmerizing. If you encounter one, immediately rebuke it. Do not look into their eyes. If you see a craft, rebuke it, get out of there as fast as you can. Don't mess with it

His website is www.lamarzulli.net

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COMMENT: I agree so completely with this man that I really have nothing to add, except to stress that there will be a staged worldwide UFO/alien 'event' ... and I'm convinced that every person who is not familiar with this information will fall for it. It's that seductive. My greatest fear is that the Christian community knows nothing about this danger ahead - and thus will not be prepared for this great deception...just as the Bible says.

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